Take Mid-Major to Powerhouse Topic

Hello all, I am currently coaching in the Knight World at Wyoming. I have had decent success and then some big failures from recruiting, game planning and scheduling and everything in between.

I am going to stick it at Wyoming, not looking for any new jobs or planning on moving anywhere.

I was wondering if someone would be willing to mentor me in what I have been doing wrong, incorrect, or well in terms of getting my team to a powerhouse in the conference and yearly NT appearances and deep runs in the tourney.

Areas that I would love input:
  • ?Recruiting - How can I get the bigger recruits or the players that are diamonds?
  • Game Planning - How can I get the most production each and every game?
  • Scheduling - How do I schedule so that my RPI remains high as well as my SOS?
If you are interested in mentoring me and helping me achieve my goal of creating Wyoming into a Powerhouse/bring the MWC into the Big 6 conferences in the world please let me know and private message me or give advice here whichever you prefer.

I look forward to reading your responses and hearing from you if you message me.
3/3/2016 5:12 PM
Can Wyoming be a powerhouse?
Votes: 44
(Last vote received: 7/2/2018 3:53 PM)
3/3/2016 5:12 PM
I voted no. Not in today's game unless you had 11 other coaches dedicated to making the MWC a top conference. Individually no low level team like Wyoming could win an NT in today's game I think.

But you can absolutely make NT's every year and even win games. But to me a powerhouse contends for NT every year and I think there's a small handful of schools in each world that can do that.
3/3/2016 5:19 PM
here is about the limit of what you are going to be able to do form the MWC, Texas Southern by dsrnell, there is not a lot of other examples. maybe ARomana at San Franciso

those are 2 of the best D1 coaches to play the game so consider that pretty much the cap from a C baseline. Utah/Gonzaga and some A-10 teams probably have a slightly higher cap, we will just have to monitor billy at St. bone and see how high he can go.
3/3/2016 5:24 PM
what does powerhouse mean specifically?
3/3/2016 5:26 PM
Posted by dacj501 on 3/3/2016 5:26:00 PM (view original):
what does powerhouse mean specifically?
To me a powerhouse is a team that can make the Sweet 16, Elite 8, Final Four or higher obviously every season or maybe every other season. What I mean to say is a powerhouse with a high prestige that can compete with the big schools, but will lose to them sometimes. That is what I was thinking anyway.
3/3/2016 6:00 PM
Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 5:24:00 PM (view original):
here is about the limit of what you are going to be able to do form the MWC, Texas Southern by dsrnell, there is not a lot of other examples. maybe ARomana at San Franciso

those are 2 of the best D1 coaches to play the game so consider that pretty much the cap from a C baseline. Utah/Gonzaga and some A-10 teams probably have a slightly higher cap, we will just have to monitor billy at St. bone and see how high he can go.
Texas Southern that you linked is definitely what I am attempting to accomplish....again I know it will be difficult to accomplish, but any help is appreciated.
3/3/2016 6:00 PM
Posted by obituaryconc on 3/3/2016 6:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 5:24:00 PM (view original):
here is about the limit of what you are going to be able to do form the MWC, Texas Southern by dsrnell, there is not a lot of other examples. maybe ARomana at San Franciso

those are 2 of the best D1 coaches to play the game so consider that pretty much the cap from a C baseline. Utah/Gonzaga and some A-10 teams probably have a slightly higher cap, we will just have to monitor billy at St. bone and see how high he can go.
Texas Southern that you linked is definitely what I am attempting to accomplish....again I know it will be difficult to accomplish, but any help is appreciated.
honestly the truly elite of the elite like maybe a handful of people, like count them on 1 hand are capable of that. It's something to work for, but under this system I don't think it's worth it.

If you do, make sure to get in contact with a strong D1 coach and talk with them and work on building up to a constant NT appearance and get that B-/B prestige and then start planning on making those deep runs.

just look at how top mid major teams look like and work on recruiting like that.
3/3/2016 6:08 PM
Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 6:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by obituaryconc on 3/3/2016 6:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 5:24:00 PM (view original):
here is about the limit of what you are going to be able to do form the MWC, Texas Southern by dsrnell, there is not a lot of other examples. maybe ARomana at San Franciso

those are 2 of the best D1 coaches to play the game so consider that pretty much the cap from a C baseline. Utah/Gonzaga and some A-10 teams probably have a slightly higher cap, we will just have to monitor billy at St. bone and see how high he can go.
Texas Southern that you linked is definitely what I am attempting to accomplish....again I know it will be difficult to accomplish, but any help is appreciated.
honestly the truly elite of the elite like maybe a handful of people, like count them on 1 hand are capable of that. It's something to work for, but under this system I don't think it's worth it.

If you do, make sure to get in contact with a strong D1 coach and talk with them and work on building up to a constant NT appearance and get that B-/B prestige and then start planning on making those deep runs.

just look at how top mid major teams look like and work on recruiting like that.
That is some good advice. I will look at some top teams and see how they recruit. I know I am in a difficult place to recruit with a Colorado team that is a NT contender yearly. So I guess my question is how would you recruit in an area like Wyoming with very few high quality recruits and the ones that are available get snatched up. Where would you go to find the diamonds? Texas? California? or elsewhere?

Thanks
3/3/2016 6:17 PM
Posted by obituaryconc on 3/3/2016 6:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 6:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by obituaryconc on 3/3/2016 6:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 5:24:00 PM (view original):
here is about the limit of what you are going to be able to do form the MWC, Texas Southern by dsrnell, there is not a lot of other examples. maybe ARomana at San Franciso

those are 2 of the best D1 coaches to play the game so consider that pretty much the cap from a C baseline. Utah/Gonzaga and some A-10 teams probably have a slightly higher cap, we will just have to monitor billy at St. bone and see how high he can go.
Texas Southern that you linked is definitely what I am attempting to accomplish....again I know it will be difficult to accomplish, but any help is appreciated.
honestly the truly elite of the elite like maybe a handful of people, like count them on 1 hand are capable of that. It's something to work for, but under this system I don't think it's worth it.

If you do, make sure to get in contact with a strong D1 coach and talk with them and work on building up to a constant NT appearance and get that B-/B prestige and then start planning on making those deep runs.

just look at how top mid major teams look like and work on recruiting like that.
That is some good advice. I will look at some top teams and see how they recruit. I know I am in a difficult place to recruit with a Colorado team that is a NT contender yearly. So I guess my question is how would you recruit in an area like Wyoming with very few high quality recruits and the ones that are available get snatched up. Where would you go to find the diamonds? Texas? California? or elsewhere?

Thanks
The whole west coast is good a lot are cheap to scout small states might be able to land a good player or two. Look for states where the top schools are weak. Or where there is only 1 good school you won't get the elite, but someone who is really good, just not elite big 6 talent may slip down the cracks.
3/3/2016 6:29 PM
Look in the barren states out west, which you should already be doing at Wyoming. When I was at Montana State I was always surprised at the talent in that state, which I basically had to myself. Now when a 5* stud came up the big boys would come calling for him, but I remember one season I landed two 4* high school teammates. Colorado is generally pretty good too, although there are a lot of MWC teams around that can get pretty good and claim UC's leftovers every year.
3/3/2016 6:33 PM
Thanks for the advice, I have been looking in Montana, Wyoming, as far east as Michigan and Iowa depending on the season, but I generally stick to the western states.
3/3/2016 6:44 PM
I think i am a solid coach but when you can't recruit anything because it's a system problem, I doubt you are going to become anything. This is what I am experiencing in La Salle now, Tarkanian. B- is hell. Can't play with the big boys, can't risk playing, otherwise, low or same base prestige big six will destroy you. D1 is broken.

I would think it is me, in D2 or D3 but when you have or can't recruit anything, There is something broken.

Maybe it's a location thing or a class thing... Go 6-0-6 if you can.

3/3/2016 6:51 PM
Posted by guyo26 on 3/3/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
I voted no. Not in today's game unless you had 11 other coaches dedicated to making the MWC a top conference. Individually no low level team like Wyoming could win an NT in today's game I think.

But you can absolutely make NT's every year and even win games. But to me a powerhouse contends for NT every year and I think there's a small handful of schools in each world that can do that.
I agree with this. You need more humans, you'll never be able to recruit the kind of talent you'll need with multiple SIMs holding the prestige down. I had this run at Manhattan in Tark, and was told by Admin (pre-Seble) that my prestige was about as high as it would go unless more humans came and brought up the prestige of the other MAAC teams.
19 johncannon 29-4 11-1 12-2 6-1 16-0 3 7 64 A- Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Elite 8)
18 johncannon 30-4 12-1 11-2 7-1 16-0 6 7 50 A- Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Final Four)
17 johncannon 31-3 12-0 12-2 7-1 16-0 2 5 28 B+ Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Final Four)
16 johncannon 24-8 8-4 11-3 5-1 14-2 31 85 C+ Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Sweet 16)
15 acn24 35-0 13-0 13-0 9-0 16-0 1 1 42 C Conf Champion
CT Champion
National Champion
14 acn24 26-7 11-2 9-4 6-1 14-2 28 101 C Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Elite 8)
13 acn24 29-3 11-0 13-2 5-1 15-1 2 1 9 - Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Sweet 16)
12 acn24 29-3 10-1 14-1 5-1 16-0 7 23 187 - Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Sweet 16)
11 acn24 27-5 10-2 12-2 5-1 15-1 17 8 23 - Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Sweet 16)

dalter and I were able to have the success we had at Marshall because we had a conference filled with really good coaches.
3/3/2016 7:53 PM
Holy ^&%$ that texas southern team is insane. I didn't that could be done like that anymore. Granted there's some other good coaches in the conference, and have been over time, but that's an amazing record over 40 or so seasons.

Look at his team composition though obit - cast majority is TX or LA. Still gotta have guys you can get, and all the better if they're close.
3/4/2016 10:33 AM
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