and I STILL don't qualify for any of the decent Big 6 conference openings.

What do I need to do?

that sucks man. maybe you need to take a bit crappier bcs job and work it there?

i cant post under the other ID, but i just checked because i was curious what it would qualify for.
https://www.wisjournal.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14010

its really not a great resume, but it is fairly solid i guess, even though i ***** about how much i cant stand them. so i think its a decent data point. currently everything in phelan, including 2 B level SEC schools, are step backwards. its mississippi and ark. so, i guess you need a little run of post seasons, like i have there, with a couple NT wins in the last couple seasons, and then you can get some decent jobs. presumably if those jobs are all step backwards, then a B+ BCS we'd be qualified for. i can't imagine those are step backwards by much. it is pretty tough to make a s16 as a mid major for most folks, but i have some PITs in there, i suspect if you were a bit more consistent than me, which shouldn't be too hard, and had like 2 2nd rounds, instead of a s16, it would work out the same, and you'd be B+ eligible.

just keep at it i guess, and try to set yourself up for 2 solid seasons, after which you can bolt! or maybe lower your standards a bit and take a bit crappier BCS job?

man, i dunno...I think you'll be more frustrated trying to get over the hump from bottom tier bcs than stick at your mid-major til you can get a decent one.

you know, its weird, the job logic actually seems pretty spot on for st bon. based on how screwed it is for everyone else, i thought it would be worse, like i was sure i'd qualify for C range BCS and i was figuring probably B-. but for B to be step backwards, i'm kind of surpirsed, honestly. i've never won a title in that world, so its not that. you have like 300 more wins, so its not that, either. i guess the last couple seasons just weigh heavily and you've got to go out and get a NT win or two, to really get it done? that wouldn't be so unreasonable, if it wasn't so hard to pull in NT wins as a mid major.

whats your rep/loyalty? you should definitely qualify for anything C+ and lower, maybe so low baseline B- jobs as well. your sos is bad which is the only thing i can think of but it shouldnt hurt you that much. whats does your agent say about the jobs?

for comparison:

93	viva_il_re	28-4	8-0	15-3	5-1	16-0	16	11	45	B	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
92	viva_il_re	28-3	8-0	16-2	4-1	15-1		64	276	B-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
91	viva_il_re	16-12	9-4	6-7	1-1	8-8		160	234	C+
90	viva_il_re	26-4	8-0	15-3	3-1	15-1		38	127	B-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)
89	viva_il_re	27-3	12-1	12-1	3-1	15-1	22	39	127	C+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)

got me to B- Cal

heres a better comparison:

92	the0nlyis	23-8	7-1	12-6	4-1	13-3		26	64	C+	CT Champion NT (1st Round)
91	the0nlyis	22-8	8-1	12-6	2-1	15-1		53	118	C	Conf Champion PI (1st Round)
90	the0nlyis	22-8	7-1	12-6	3-1	14-2		60	131	C	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)
89	the0nlyis	16-12	4-4	11-7	1-1	7-9		154	288	C-
88	the0nlyis	11-17	5-3	5-13	1-1	8-8		188	179	C-
87	the0nlyis	19-9	6-3	12-5	1-1	12-4		75	107	C
86	the0nlyis	22-8	14-0	7-7	1-1	13-3		42	86	C	PI (2nd Round)
85	the0nlyis	20-9	9-2	10-6	1-1	12-4		72	111	D+	Conf Champion PI (1st Round)
84	the0nlyis	13-14	12-6	1-7	0-1	5-11		296	323	D-
83	the0nlyis	5-22	3-10	2-11	0-1	4-12		310	293	D-

got me C- Miss State


what specific jobs are you looking at?


#makeHDgreatagain!

sos is not a direct factor in job logic, and maybe not even NT seeding. but, what you say raises a similar question i am getting at without asking directly - what are you considering "decent BCS" OP? is it the actual school or the prestige, and if the latter, what prestige? i would think you'd qualify for some BCS jobs too but not sure about "decent" ones.

Posted by gillispie1 on 5/4/2016 1:32:00 PM (view original):
sos is not a direct factor in job logic, and maybe not even NT seeding. but, what you say raises a similar question i am getting at without asking directly - what are you considering "decent BCS" OP? is it the actual school or the prestige, and if the latter, what prestige? i would think you'd qualify for some BCS jobs too but not sure about "decent" ones.

yeh that really the only thing i could think of that maybe was a secret factor since he meets the success level, maybe the jobs are too high he has to qualify for C- oregon. he's probably looking at B Indiana and the slew of B+ jobs which are unrealistic expectations in this game

Posted by gillispie1 on 5/4/2016 1:22:00 PM (view original):
that sucks man. maybe you need to take a bit crappier bcs job and work it there?

i cant post under the other ID, but i just checked because i was curious what it would qualify for.
https://www.wisjournal.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14010

its really not a great resume, but it is fairly solid i guess, even though i ***** about how much i cant stand them. so i think its a decent data point. currently everything in phelan, including 2 B level SEC schools, are step backwards. its mississippi and ark. so, i guess you need a little run of post seasons, like i have there, with a couple NT wins in the last couple seasons, and then you can get some decent jobs. presumably if those jobs are all step backwards, then a B+ BCS we'd be qualified for. i can't imagine those are step backwards by much. it is pretty tough to make a s16 as a mid major for most folks, but i have some PITs in there, i suspect if you were a bit more consistent than me, which shouldn't be too hard, and had like 2 2nd rounds, instead of a s16, it would work out the same, and you'd be B+ eligible.

just keep at it i guess, and try to set yourself up for 2 solid seasons, after which you can bolt! or maybe lower your standards a bit and take a bit crappier BCS job?

I'm thinking I am staying at Chowan Allen World 6 for atleast 10 seasons. I figured since the resume goes for the last 10 seasons that is the maxium amount of time I stay before I apply to different jobs. I am going to a empty conference either in division 2 or diviison 1. I have a conference where I want to go where I am aiming for in division 1 the colonel atheletic association. If I want to go to division 2 and still try to figure out the game at a lower level.


If I do decide to go to division 2 i'll stay in the Nc area. Where I will go to a empty conference, Elizabeth City State looks like the best option right now. I scrimmage them this season. I usually scrimmage the team where I want to go.

Yea, I would expect after 10 seasons to qualify for a B or B+ opening.
Reputation A+
Loyalty A+
Brought a program that never had prestige above C- to B-.
It's about all that can be done at N. Mexico St.

Thought that 10 years would open up some better opportunities.

Taking the Oregon job is masochistic.

I've done that before at Nebraska. No thanks.

ps- all the B6 jobs available are for teams that are much worse then what I have now. How is that logical?

Posted by TRrrr on 5/4/2016 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Yea, I would expect after 10 seasons to qualify for a B or B+ opening.
Reputation A+
Loyalty A+
Brought a program that never had prestige above C- to B-.
It's about all that can be done at N. Mexico St.

Thought that 10 years would open up some better opportunities.

Taking the Oregon job is masochistic.

I've done that before at Nebraska. No thanks.

ps- all the B6 jobs available are for teams that are much worse then what I have now. How is that logical?

Unfortunately you can't expect to qualify for B or B+ jobs especially if they have good baseline like Indiana from any midmajor/non major barring maybe a highly built Utah/Zaga. The job process is utter ****.

You have to leave a program in better condition with a low ceiling for an utter shithole with a higher ceiling.

I left Yale with one of the most impressive D- rebuilds and went to Iowa State and 1 season later(no post season for Iowa St) and I no longer qualify for Yale either because the sim took my 6 man senior class to the NT. Which is a joke, I should be worshiped there.

There's nothing you can do besides complain they honestly don't care or are just so stupid they think making recruiting "fun" will fix the problems of being at a non major. Who cares if recruiting is "fun" being at New Mexico State is dumb regardless.

#MakeHDgreatagain!

Posted by TRrrr on 5/4/2016 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Yea, I would expect after 10 seasons to qualify for a B or B+ opening.
Reputation A+
Loyalty A+
Brought a program that never had prestige above C- to B-.
It's about all that can be done at N. Mexico St.

Thought that 10 years would open up some better opportunities.

Taking the Oregon job is masochistic.

I've done that before at Nebraska. No thanks.

ps- all the B6 jobs available are for teams that are much worse then what I have now. How is that logical?

oregon job can be pretty good depending on who is around it. i think those 4 NW pac10 bcs jobs really depend on each other, and stanford. if stanford and only 1 of them is A range, it can be a very competitive program. i've seen if where 3 of the 5 have been A range and competitive, but its definitely tough, and absolutely seems there is no room for 4.

its probably not popular, but i actually don't think you should be b/b+ qualified - you only had 1 NT win in the period, and it was like 6 seasons ago.

the job logic is definitely too hard, but the thing is, if a b+ bcs job opens up, thats a DAMN attractive job. you should need more than half NT1s and half PITs with one NT2 a while back, for a job that good. i think you'd need 2-3 NT wins fairly recently, to qualify for that good of a job. but, i can also see the argument that just let them be qualified and let the best man win. its just not exactly fair to leap-frog over lower BCS programs with that level of success, IMO. you'd have to reduce the qualifications for low BCS to like, making the PIT most of the time, with maybe a NT appearance or two. thats pretty low. i don't think it should be QUITE that low, although obviously, i agree w/ all you guys that the current job logic is crap and is much too restrictive.

and besides - it is logical - guys who go to low BCS jobs, usually take over programs that haven't been to the NT in the last several seasons or maybe just once, and they are making it from mid major programs. the program itself is better, the current state of it, is not. same deal here. you definitely should not be able to go from a team who can make the NT to a team who can win NT games, without having to do some building in between - like you shouldnt leave the one program and move to the next and immediately have more talented teams. that seems totally unrealistic to me. so, i guess i think this is a bit of high expectations combined with a fairly severely broken system.

NT wins at a mid-major depend heavily on match-ups. If you get a first round game with another mid-major, you have a chance of advancing. Draw a Big 6 school, and you virtually have no chance.

I've never drawn another mid-major in the first round ... and my one NT victory was over a heavily favored Big 12 school.
I don't think much more could be accomplished at N. Mexico St.

Every time I've a good shot at a "difference maker" recruit that could elevate the program, a Big 6 school has come along after signings started and snagged him away. The odds of getting a clear win at the first signing cycle are poor. If he's that good, you'll be in a battle for him. So multiple times I've the lead on a great recruit, but not good enough to sign at first signing cycle. And every time a Big 6 school (or a better Big 6) school has come in late and grabbed him... easily. There is too great a money difference.

I dare say if you are getting a mid-major to the Sweet 16, you had some lucky breaks ... and probably didn't beat 3 Big 6 schools to get there.

I'm not any bleepin' genius, but I sure think my record warrants better jobs!

My rpi at a **** school like New Mexico St is 49.

Why shouldn't I qualify for a 119 rpi Indiana job?

TRrrr Forget about Indiana, move down to Oregon to move to Indiana. You can't get your prestige higher than B-... So if you can't put it higher, because recruits simply are not knocking at your door, move to Oregon, take a step down, do the same good job and you will get Indiana soon enough. Or let Indiana slip and hope nobody takes the team... It's just too high in prestige now, but once it drops, it will be bad, but you will be allright. We all need to rebuild the teams when we start at D1. It is designed that way.