I've intentionally remained quiet during all the update and beta debates, mostly because I've only been around a year and a half and don't feel like I have the right to say anything. I haven't any "good ole days." Or memories of when the community was more like a family. I don't know what the game was like before the "potentials" update.

I also don't have the cynicism most of you have. From the sounds of things, it's well-founded. I fell in love with the game quick and hard. And by the second week of my first season, I had charts and formulas and full notebook pages of recruit information. By the time my first D2 team was ranked, I had a full on obsession, leaving the web site open all day, periodically checking it between work tasks, just to see my players' stats or how much they'd improved.

When I took the job at CSU, Los Angeles, I bought a CSULA shirt from their online bookstore, because I was obsessed, and because I knew my kids would play harder if they saw me representing. (I pulled a pretty big upset early on while wearing the shirt, and I'm a superstitious sports person) I still follow the CSULA Instagram, partly because I just love Los Angeles, mostly because, in my mind, I am the coach of the Golden Eagles.

I don't know what this update will do to the game. I know so many of us don't like it in theory. I don't know how many of you will stick around. I understand your cynicism, even if I don't share it. I fell in love with this game and don't want to see it die.

I see the writing on the wall. It makes me profoundly sad.

I miss the game already - having cut down to two teams, I find myself looking at the next night's matchups, thinking about game plan and then feel - is that all there is. Dropped 2 of 4 teams in the last couple of months. I plan to drop down to one team when the new game launches - although I wont even keep one team if some basic fixes dont happen. I'll use the seasons I have purchased and credits and then head back to Hickory to coach high school ball.

Where is my diagram of the picket fence? the swinging gate?

Posted by fd343ny on 7/7/2016 3:42:00 PM (view original):
I miss the game already - having cut down to two teams, I find myself looking at the next night's matchups, thinking about game plan and then feel - is that all there is. Dropped 2 of 4 teams in the last couple of months. I plan to drop down to one team when the new game launches - although I wont even keep one team if some basic fixes dont happen. I'll use the seasons I have purchased and credits and then head back to Hickory to coach high school ball.

Where is my diagram of the picket fence? the swinging gate?

Remember: don't get caught watching the paint dry.

I have a lot more free time with only 7 teams compared to a peak of 15. A lot of teams were tough to give up, Wooden I dropped after qualifying for Big 6 including the job i really wanted(Minnesota), Rupp I was 1 season away from Big 6 jobs, Iba I had just won the NC and had a 5 season stretch of NC loss-2nd-NC loss-S16-NC, Crum I joined a strong conference with jsajsa and had built back a strong school I was upset in the 2nd round and this season the team is currently #2 rpi and #4 overall, Tark I just gotten to Big 6 and was rebuilding. On Viva I had just about finished a 6-6 superclass fb/press D3 team I was excited for and dropped CSU Eastbay in Tark where I had a 5 year rampage of E8-NC-NC-PI-NC Loss

Very sad to see all that hard work come to an end because even if the updates weren't terrible I'd still have no way to manage 15 teams with how long scouting/recruiting seems to be taking.

Can't imagine people who have played for even longer, i've only been here just over 2 years/

Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 4:15:00 PM (view original):
I've intentionally remained quiet during all the update and beta debates, mostly because I've only been around a year and a half and don't feel like I have the right to say anything. I haven't any "good ole days." Or memories of when the community was more like a family. I don't know what the game was like before the "potentials" update.

I also don't have the cynicism most of you have. From the sounds of things, it's well-founded. I fell in love with the game quick and hard. And by the second week of my first season, I had charts and formulas and full notebook pages of recruit information. By the time my first D2 team was ranked, I had a full on obsession, leaving the web site open all day, periodically checking it between work tasks, just to see my players' stats or how much they'd improved.

When I took the job at CSU, Los Angeles, I bought a CSULA shirt from their online bookstore, because I was obsessed, and because I knew my kids would play harder if they saw me representing. (I pulled a pretty big upset early on while wearing the shirt, and I'm a superstitious sports person) I still follow the CSULA Instagram, partly because I just love Los Angeles, mostly because, in my mind, I am the coach of the Golden Eagles.

I don't know what this update will do to the game. I know so many of us don't like it in theory. I don't know how many of you will stick around. I understand your cynicism, even if I don't share it. I fell in love with this game and don't want to see it die.

I see the writing on the wall. It makes me profoundly sad.

I feel the same way ...about my attachment to Oberlin College, the HD game itself .
Best post I've read in quite some time.
Thanks pallas

Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 4:15:00 PM (view original):
I've intentionally remained quiet during all the update and beta debates, mostly because I've only been around a year and a half and don't feel like I have the right to say anything. I haven't any "good ole days." Or memories of when the community was more like a family. I don't know what the game was like before the "potentials" update.

I also don't have the cynicism most of you have. From the sounds of things, it's well-founded. I fell in love with the game quick and hard. And by the second week of my first season, I had charts and formulas and full notebook pages of recruit information. By the time my first D2 team was ranked, I had a full on obsession, leaving the web site open all day, periodically checking it between work tasks, just to see my players' stats or how much they'd improved.

When I took the job at CSU, Los Angeles, I bought a CSULA shirt from their online bookstore, because I was obsessed, and because I knew my kids would play harder if they saw me representing. (I pulled a pretty big upset early on while wearing the shirt, and I'm a superstitious sports person) I still follow the CSULA Instagram, partly because I just love Los Angeles, mostly because, in my mind, I am the coach of the Golden Eagles.

I don't know what this update will do to the game. I know so many of us don't like it in theory. I don't know how many of you will stick around. I understand your cynicism, even if I don't share it. I fell in love with this game and don't want to see it die.

I see the writing on the wall. It makes me profoundly sad.

The game is not going to die.... The game is clearly going over a overhaul the process we will be losing coaches but in the meantime we will be slowly gaining our population back. These coaches who are leaving just don't want to do anything hard.

how will the population grow please enlighten us? are you going to go back onto ESPN and talk about HD for us?

I can't speak for anyone else, certainly, but I imagine I could eventually get used to the new scouting/recruiting system. As with all of life, most new things are unfamiliar and unpopular. My love of the game will carry me through the growing pains. I'm not part of the beta, but it seems like there are some good aspects, some things we could get excited about. Reading rednu's blog, there appears to be positive changes every beta season. If we decide to assume it will keep improving before the roll out, and if we can not assume the worst, we just need to bring in new coaches, as Emy and many others have said.

Look, I know these are huge assumptions, especially through the cynic's lens, but the update is coming regardless. I believe any marketing we do will be more effective than anything Seble and WIS can put money behind, because we're able to convey love and excitement to others, especially as NCAA basketball season approaches. I've played a few basketball sims. Even with all the problems, this is the best simulation on the Internet. There's still a lot to sell people on. Am I wrong here?

every other basketball sim is ****, clearly the people want ****** basketball sims, lets make HD ****!

overheard at the last meeting seble held.

Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 5:24:00 PM (view original):
I can't speak for anyone else, certainly, but I imagine I could eventually get used to the new scouting/recruiting system. As with all of life, most new things are unfamiliar and unpopular. My love of the game will carry me through the growing pains. I'm not part of the beta, but it seems like there are some good aspects, some things we could get excited about. Reading rednu's blog, there appears to be positive changes every beta season. If we decide to assume it will keep improving before the roll out, and if we can not assume the worst, we just need to bring in new coaches, as Emy and many others have said.

Look, I know these are huge assumptions, especially through the cynic's lens, but the update is coming regardless. I believe any marketing we do will be more effective than anything Seble and WIS can put money behind, because we're able to convey love and excitement to others, especially as NCAA basketball season approaches. I've played a few basketball sims. Even with all the problems, this is the best simulation on the Internet. There's still a lot to sell people on. Am I wrong here?

If you build it...

The most optimistic viewpoint you could have is that the beta is going to be fun and does a better job at new user retention. This will grow HD and WIS will pay more attention to it. They will then dedicate time and effort to making other changes that people have been clamoring for (jobs, recruit generation, etc).

Will that happen? No idea. Probably not very likely. But I plan on sticking around to see.

Posted by the0nlyis on 7/7/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
how will the population grow please enlighten us? are you going to go back onto ESPN and talk about HD for us?

Unfortunaley no, I assume that it will grow overtime without any advertising plus once I get my mac laptop I will be advertising whatifsports on youtube.

Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 6:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by the0nlyis on 7/7/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
how will the population grow please enlighten us? are you going to go back onto ESPN and talk about HD for us?

Unfortunaley no, I assume that it will grow overtime without any advertising plus once I get my mac laptop I will be advertising whatifsports on youtube.

I don't know if I can be any help, but I'm a writer. Let me know if you need anything, you know, written.

The number of coaches/ sims lost is going to be far greater than the number of coaches gained, to make it up will take a long time, months, years.

Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 7:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 6:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by the0nlyis on 7/7/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
how will the population grow please enlighten us? are you going to go back onto ESPN and talk about HD for us?

Unfortunaley no, I assume that it will grow overtime without any advertising plus once I get my mac laptop I will be advertising whatifsports on youtube.

I don't know if I can be any help, but I'm a writer. Let me know if you need anything, you know, written.

You write poetry? I have biils to pay right now so I am kinda sorta in a tight budget right now and only make 12,000 a year working at a mcdondals. Right now its unrealistic for me to hire people I need a better JOB.... Sorry just venting LOL. For something that isn't worth going for it sure is on my mind a hella alot (going back to college). The only thing stopping me from going back is racking up tremendous debt.... I am already debt free so its kinda pointless for me to go back but instead work my way up to a better job. By the way is the life I chose. I am also saving up for a small apartment IDK where I am going to move to. The only logical place is to move in with my best friend who is a head cook at Hwy55 which I am a cook as well so I could possible get a job there. I want to move in with him after this year but I need a job first.