Just took over a bad D2 school needing to recruit seven during part 2 (yeah, good luck me). I decided to look at a few D1 guys that were close to me with a Close to Home preference. I found one D3 school having twenty four D1 guys considering his school. Yes they are bottom of the barrel D1 projected guys.

But would any of these guys be D3 prospects for a solid, high prestige D3 school? Is there still the concept of Vision? Or has this guy spent all his D3 recruiting cash to pull D1 recruits down two levels?

Without knowing the exact situation, my guess is that this person either did an Elite Camp which gave allowed him to discover 60ish D1 players or he did some Scouting services on a couple states near home. Neither of these are that expensive.

He then started spamming APs to all the D1 players he thought were somewhat decent. Maybe just 1 AP each. That's all you need to get on the list. Once someone comes along, he'll drop off but has 50 back up options.

That's all that's happening here I think. It takes basically nothing to get someone to 'consider you' in 3.0. As long as you're the only team there, you'll show up on the list as moderate.

Now, if they are offering scholarships, that is different. But to be moderate, they only need to do a few APs, if no one else is recruiting the player.

For the ones they are offering scholarships for, they did enough APs in session 1 to unlock the scholarship offer. That is a bunch more than just being moderate on someone with no other teams interested.

The real issue here is that we need some protected turns in session 2 where Div-1 and Div-2 teams can unlock some guys. That will take care of the Div-3 guys and Div-2 guys on really good players.

In the case of Div-3 .. you DO have time to unlock guys as a Div-3 can only sign a Div-1 on the last day.

Posted by Benis on 11/2/2016 11:59:00 AM (view original):
Without knowing the exact situation, my guess is that this person either did an Elite Camp which gave allowed him to discover 60ish D1 players or he did some Scouting services on a couple states near home. Neither of these are that expensive.

He then started spamming APs to all the D1 players he thought were somewhat decent. Maybe just 1 AP each. That's all you need to get on the list. Once someone comes along, he'll drop off but has 50 back up options.

That's all that's happening here I think. It takes basically nothing to get someone to 'consider you' in 3.0. As long as you're the only team there, you'll show up on the list as moderate.

Camp or FSS would be an efficient way to start. If he then did just 1 AP each on recruits projected a level or two above his own, that isn't enough to be at Moderate, just Very Low. D3 recruiting budgets are awfully slim, so he'll be hoping to land someone cheaply. It looks like he is playing for some last-cycle signings, but even at that I believe he'll have to do enough to unlock schollies.

" The real issue here is that we need some protected turns in session 2 where Div-1 and Div-2 teams can unlock some guys. That will take care of the Div-3 guys and Div-2 guys on really good players. "

That would be good for the game if there were no humans at D2/D3. But there are more humans at D2/D3 than at D1. I believe that newcomers starting at D3 deserve a roster that isn't limited to garbage, with at least a fair opportunity to gather up some guys that fall through the cracks during period one.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14727

Man, how in the world was I able to build a good team while being limited to only garbage at D3?? I must be some kind of wizard.

Posted by wvufan76 on 11/2/2016 11:47:00 AM (view original):
Just took over a bad D2 school needing to recruit seven during part 2 (yeah, good luck me). I decided to look at a few D1 guys that were close to me with a Close to Home preference. I found one D3 school having twenty four D1 guys considering his school. Yes they are bottom of the barrel D1 projected guys.

But would any of these guys be D3 prospects for a solid, high prestige D3 school? Is there still the concept of Vision? Or has this guy spent all his D3 recruiting cash to pull D1 recruits down two levels?

If the DIII school has 5 or 6 openings and thus a lot of AP, this is def possible. I mean, all you need to do is put 1 AP towards a player to have the interest at moderate if no one else is recruiting them. Sometimes this is all that is needed to scare away other humans that are recruiting.

One recruiting strategy for 3.0 is to recruit lets say 50 different players with 1AP, in only one of the first few turns of recruiting. "Marking your territory". This could make other human players cautious about going into a recruiting battle with those players because the attention will automatically be moderate if no other school has recruited them so far. And then from there, the DIII school can narrow down their top targets and focus on them, and hope that their marked territory serves as backup plans. So i can see 20 schools considering that one DIII school.

In terms of $, i have found it easy to recruit and sign players without spending any money at all, just by using attention points. My belief so far is that money will only be important in those recruiting battles.

He was moderate on all of them! Little or no competition from Sim Coaches on mostly all of them. To show as considering on the search function, you must me same level so I thought they were all open. But I looked at his team He only has two seniors, plus one that is borderline GPA to be a fifth year. He is A+ prestige, but has only 60 AP from what I see. I found another D3 school with seven considering him, but they were not even good enough for me to look at, so not a big deal. I also saw him on D2 prospects, but did not start counting how many. The D1 guys got my attention.

And I did the same thing the first few beta years until seble made it harder.

Posted by Benis on 11/2/2016 12:52:00 PM (view original):
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14727

Man, how in the world was I able to build a good team while being limited to only garbage at D3?? I must be some kind of wizard.

They mave have started out as garbage, but you, you Coach Benis turned those digital images into real ball players (I was going to say men, but stated laughing and a co worker asked me what was so funny).

Yeah, AP was all he would need. With only two openings he truly was marking territory and hoping that two fell to him.

Posted by wvufan76 on 11/2/2016 1:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 11/2/2016 12:52:00 PM (view original):
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14727

Man, how in the world was I able to build a good team while being limited to only garbage at D3?? I must be some kind of wizard.

They mave have started out as garbage, but you, you Coach Benis turned those digital images into real ball players (I was going to say men, but stated laughing and a co worker asked me what was so funny).

Well this is true. I really turned those bums into fine upstanding young men who are now giving back to the school and the community. Kudos to me!

Posted by Benis on 11/2/2016 12:52:00 PM (view original):
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14727

Man, how in the world was I able to build a good team while being limited to only garbage at D3?? I must be some kind of wizard.

Championship level D2/3 has always been about finding the best players available to you. I can't really relate to either side of this debate. I'll try to get the best players available to me, however the system is designed. You can make a case that if human D1s don't want them, they should be available to humans at lower levels. You can also make a case that the game is better off if more of those players choose juco and cycle back through the process next season, or even that higher level sims should snag them, so teams are more attractive to take over (though certainly WIS doesn't want sims to be terribly strong).

But mostly, I want D1 to be fun, that should be priority #1. I'm not really interested in catering the game to people who want to dominate D2/3.

"But mostly, I want D1 to be fun, that should be priority #1. I'm not really interested in catering the game to people who want to dominate D2/3."

I want ALL the levels to be fun. They should all be fun and all have various differences and based upon preferences people will like either of them or all of them.

I don't think 2.0 or 3.0 either have a system to dominate at D3. There is kinda, sorta parity currently where you can take over a SIM team that has a bunch of upperclassmen and take it to the NT. But I'm still in the camp that this will go away with 3.0 since all human coached teams will be improving (not just the top teams) and simmy will still be the same. There will be LESS parity among all of D3 in general as new coaches take over sims and then have to face not just powerhouse teams (similar to the CNU team linked) but basically all human teams with decent coaches will be like this. So instead of getting crushed by me by 50 points once or twice in division play, they get to be crushed 8-10 times. Yay for them.

Posted by Benis on 11/2/2016 3:41:00 PM (view original):
"But mostly, I want D1 to be fun, that should be priority #1. I'm not really interested in catering the game to people who want to dominate D2/3."

I want ALL the levels to be fun. They should all be fun and all have various differences and based upon preferences people will like either of them or all of them.

I don't think 2.0 or 3.0 either have a system to dominate at D3. There is kinda, sorta parity currently where you can take over a SIM team that has a bunch of upperclassmen and take it to the NT. But I'm still in the camp that this will go away with 3.0 since all human coached teams will be improving (not just the top teams) and simmy will still be the same. There will be LESS parity among all of D3 in general as new coaches take over sims and then have to face not just powerhouse teams (similar to the CNU team linked) but basically all human teams with decent coaches will be like this. So instead of getting crushed by me by 50 points once or twice in division play, they get to be crushed 8-10 times. Yay for them.

I don't really disagree. If I'm WIS, I want players like you and me to move up to D1 anyway. It's why most coaches sign up, and it should be the centerpiece of the game. The novelty of having those long term communities of long term (and wildly successful) coaches in D2/3 was nice for those communities, but not necessarily nice for business, for some of the reasons you bring up. I'm not convinced that Joe Newbie is going to be facing more and more dominant teams in D3 version 3.0, but even if he is, I think D3 should be designed as a place to learn the game, then move on from. I mostly don't want him to care (if I'm WIS) about winning D3 championships nearly as much as what it takes to get him up the chain.

Posted by shoe3 on 11/2/2016 3:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 11/2/2016 3:41:00 PM (view original):
"But mostly, I want D1 to be fun, that should be priority #1. I'm not really interested in catering the game to people who want to dominate D2/3."

I want ALL the levels to be fun. They should all be fun and all have various differences and based upon preferences people will like either of them or all of them.

I don't think 2.0 or 3.0 either have a system to dominate at D3. There is kinda, sorta parity currently where you can take over a SIM team that has a bunch of upperclassmen and take it to the NT. But I'm still in the camp that this will go away with 3.0 since all human coached teams will be improving (not just the top teams) and simmy will still be the same. There will be LESS parity among all of D3 in general as new coaches take over sims and then have to face not just powerhouse teams (similar to the CNU team linked) but basically all human teams with decent coaches will be like this. So instead of getting crushed by me by 50 points once or twice in division play, they get to be crushed 8-10 times. Yay for them.

I don't really disagree. If I'm WIS, I want players like you and me to move up to D1 anyway. It's why most coaches sign up, and it should be the centerpiece of the game. The novelty of having those long term communities of long term (and wildly successful) coaches in D2/3 was nice for those communities, but not necessarily nice for business, for some of the reasons you bring up. I'm not convinced that Joe Newbie is going to be facing more and more dominant teams in D3 version 3.0, but even if he is, I think D3 should be designed as a place to learn the game, then move on from. I mostly don't want him to care (if I'm WIS) about winning D3 championships nearly as much as what it takes to get him up the chain.

Yeah, I totally agree that if you're WIS, you want to retain new coaches and that should be a big priority. And making D3 a slaughterhouse isn't the way to do it. How do you encourage coaches to move up though? Or do you force them to move up?