Let's start a movement to push these updates. This has the potential to be a great game. There are a lot of people who love the nostalgia of using old time players, who played the game the right way.

If WIS makes worthwhile updates, I promise to recruit at least 2 users. Who is willing to do the same?!

If I can get enough names to be in on this, with promises to recruit if good updates are made, I'll write a fantastic letter and mail it to whoever would be the right person at FoxSports (I'll research it) detailing the profit potential of the game, along with why there will be demand, and a marketing plan.

Who is with me?

we could march... wear genital hats on our head... screech....I dunno - just a thought

This is a good one - I needed a laugh today.

YOU are going to tell Fox Sports how to make a profit with THEIR product AND how to correctly market THEIR product.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

When Fox purchased WIS years ago, they did so in order to poach the WIS programming staff to work on developing Fox fantasy sports products and applications. That's why there is so little attention paid to WIS products and so few updates since Fox assumed ownership. The intent never appeared to be running WIS as a legitimate independent business under the Fox umbrella.

Grayfoxx, I suggest you Google the word "Stakeholders". A company, since it relies on customers' money, is as much the customers as it is the managements (which is not necessarily the owners of shares) and the shareholders (who only really own the right to access to flows of dividends, since they can't walk into the office and take a computer when their home PC is broken, while saying "I am the owner, so this is mine."

Companies own themselves legally as "legal persons" in US law (and no, it did not start with Citizens United, it started with the Dartmouth case in the early 19th Century). But increasingly it is recognized that companies rely on various stakeholders of which management and shareholders are only two, but which include customers, suppliers, the general public, the industry they operate in, the communities they are located in, employees, the industry press, and others.

So, yes, we get a voice.

Posted by skunk206 on 1/25/2017 4:29:00 PM (view original):
When Fox purchased WIS years ago, they did so in order to poach the WIS programming staff to work on developing Fox fantasy sports products and applications. That's why there is so little attention paid to WIS products and so few updates since Fox assumed ownership. The intent never appeared to be running WIS as a legitimate independent business under the Fox umbrella.

Well that blows. **** FOX, their FoxSports Go app sucks anyways

Posted by OleProfessor on 1/25/2017 4:39:00 PM (view original):
Grayfoxx, I suggest you Google the word "Stakeholders". A company, since it relies on customers' money, is as much the customers as it is the managements (which is not necessarily the owners of shares) and the shareholders (who only really own the right to access to flows of dividends, since they can't walk into the office and take a computer when their home PC is broken, while saying "I am the owner, so this is mine."

Companies own themselves legally as "legal persons" in US law (and no, it did not start with Citizens United, it started with the Dartmouth case in the early 19th Century). But increasingly it is recognized that companies rely on various stakeholders of which management and shareholders are only two, but which include customers, suppliers, the general public, the industry they operate in, the communities they are located in, employees, the industry press, and others.

So, yes, we get a voice.

You missed my point.
Yes, he does have a voice......................... but on the other end nobody is listening.

To a small business owner such as Tarek this was profitable, and was worth his time to provide strong customer service. This was his baby...

Fox does not share that view of this product. We are small potatoes. Do not expect that to change...

Listen, I was half kidding, but its not unreasonable to believe I could at least receive consideration from someone at Fox, even if its in the lower levels. Like everyone said, theyre not focusing on this, so maybe they havent fully examined the profit potential. I have a respectable business background and Im also a tiny shareholder.

A well presented plan coming from a shareholder, sent to the right place has at least a chance at being looked at.

You guys gotta believe. Believe in the game. Believe in the power of words and ideas. When you wake up in the morning tomorrow, I want each of you to look in the mirror, and say "I Can"

Posted by d_rock97 on 1/25/2017 4:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by skunk206 on 1/25/2017 4:29:00 PM (view original):
When Fox purchased WIS years ago, they did so in order to poach the WIS programming staff to work on developing Fox fantasy sports products and applications. That's why there is so little attention paid to WIS products and so few updates since Fox assumed ownership. The intent never appeared to be running WIS as a legitimate independent business under the Fox umbrella.

Well that blows. **** FOX, their FoxSports Go app sucks anyways

Yep, that is depressing. And sorry greyfoxx, I did not get your sarcasm. Still, baybridge is up for giving it a try, I think his idea merits some support here at least.

Testify!

OleProfessor, I think you're missing the point. The entire whatifsports user base do not comprise a sufficiently significant share of the FOX stakeholders for them to care about us on anything resembling a corporate level. If they cared they'd already be devoting resources to the game. Whatifsports.com has an Alexa rank of 58,659. Foxsports.com is 1672. Fox is an $11 billion company pulling $14 billion in annual revenue and #51 on the Forbes list of most valuable corporations. Whatifsports is literally less than a drop in the bucket.

dahsdebater, how businesses work is they always like to make more money. They like profitable business lines, big and small, big more so of course. $14 Billion in revenues... if you presented them with a feasible plan to have an operation that has 3 Million in revenues with 1 Million in total expenses each year, they would do it. (just as an example)

If FOX now has the WIS programming staff, and is not interested in the WIS game, maybe they'd be willing to sell the game. How much $$$ do you suppose they'd want to sell the game & any licenses, etc. that go with it? Maybe it can be purchased. What would be required to run the game? A programmer(s) & a server(s). There must be a tech geek or two among us who could answer the last question.

It would be great if Tarek could buy it back - and bring Tom back as well...