This is the first time I've taken over a new team in 3.0, but my god, it makes the EE problems look like a smooth and well-thought-out process. First, a coach taking over a new team is boned by the fact that players can sign immediately in session 2 (and it generally takes at least three cycles before you can offer a CV) -- that's been discussed ad nauseum, WIS doesn't care.

But even worse (and I haven't seen any discussion of this), if the old coach was in on a player, all of your considering credit is gone (so B+ Syracuse is knocked back to very low on any recruit considering it). That would be fine with me (and even makes sense to some extent), except you have no way to re-do the effort -- if the old coach used up his CV and the 20 HVs on the recruit, the new coach cannot assign CV/HVs to that recruit, even if the scholly is outstanding. So even for the few players where the prior coach opened up schollys, the new coach has no chance. This is terrible, and should be fixed immediately.

Send a ticket so they can ignore you/us

In Smith, I took over a DII school, and managed to have the 7th overall recruiting class.. While only signing one player (#63 PG) that the previous coach was recruiting. Granted, I did have 5 openings, but I was able to swoop in and take the #29 SF. All of my other four signings i had solely recruited and scouted.

You might be at a disadvantage depending on how the previous person recruited, but thats a risk you have to take.

Posted by Derek_Koenig on 1/27/2017 5:50:00 PM (view original):
In Smith, I took over a DII school, and managed to have the 7th overall recruiting class.. While only signing one player (#63 PG) that the previous coach was recruiting. Granted, I did have 5 openings, but I was able to swoop in and take the #29 SF. All of my other four signings i had solely recruited and scouted.

You might be at a disadvantage depending on how the previous person recruited, but thats a risk you have to take.

That's not really what he was saying. It's not that it's more difficult or challenging, it's that you can be totally screwed by previous coaches actions and you have no control of that. If the previous coach used up the CV on a recruit, you can't send one and you don't have the previous coach's credit. So basically a lose-lose.

D1 is another animal... D2 is a second session recruiting gig anyways.

Posted by Benis on 1/27/2017 5:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Derek_Koenig on 1/27/2017 5:50:00 PM (view original):
In Smith, I took over a DII school, and managed to have the 7th overall recruiting class.. While only signing one player (#63 PG) that the previous coach was recruiting. Granted, I did have 5 openings, but I was able to swoop in and take the #29 SF. All of my other four signings i had solely recruited and scouted.

You might be at a disadvantage depending on how the previous person recruited, but thats a risk you have to take.

That's not really what he was saying. It's not that it's more difficult or challenging, it's that you can be totally screwed by previous coaches actions and you have no control of that. If the previous coach used up the CV on a recruit, you can't send one and you don't have the previous coach's credit. So basically a lose-lose.

Sorry my bad, yeah thats a good point then.

Do you want a participation trophy? Seriously, it can't be both ways(and I don't think it's either).

Long-time users are no longer given the same advantages that they once were. That seems to be a MAJOR point of contention in these forums.
To offset that, new users are, as you so eloquently put it, screwed their first season. That way new users have to "work" their way into contention.

When you take a new team, you're treated as a new user. I'm not sure this is the best business plan, as no one wants to start out losing, but the other option is to take away MORE advantages from the long-time users so the new users can compete quicker. Even I think that's a terrible idea.

Mike - read my explanation that I posted to Derek again.

No need. I understood it the first time. Would you like me to explain my post?

The key parts in a different order:
When you take a new team, you're treated as a new user.
To offset that, new users are, as you so eloquently put it, screwed their first season. That way new users have to "work" their way into contention.

And I understand his frustration but try taking on a new team when you can do NO recruiting. Sucks too. But, as I see it, that's their way to offset some of the advantages returning coaches lost.

Okay mike. That is NOT his point.

If you take over a new team, the recruiting effort the previous coach put towards recruits is basically gone. This is fine, not the end of the world I suppose.

However, if that previous coach sent 20 HVs and 1 CV, you CAN'T send your own HVs and CV to that player which basically renders that player unrecruitable if there's any sort of competition.

So the game should pick one or the other but not both. Either wipe away all effort or allow you to resend recruiting actions.

Have a nice evening too Mike.

Mike just likes to take the opposing side...not sure why anyone even responds to him anymore. He just wants to argue or be combative. Is there a way to block someone from the forums so I don't have to waste my time reading his BS posts. Not sure if I have ever seen someone with that many posts in the forum. Almost like he has nothing better to do than troll the forums looking for posts to discredit.

WIS has decided - or stumbled without thinking things through fully - and there is no way anyone who doesnt work for WIS can know - to make it quite hard for a new coach at a school.

Personally, I think that is bad for game play and the product - but thats just an opinion

The specific situation the OP points to - losing credit for prior effort while being locked out from devoting effort - seems truly silly.