I lost a game going with uptempo at WNMU, and I think it's that decision that killed me. We prolly played our worst game statistically.


Are the outcomes more unpredictable when using Uptempo?

Why do I have the feeling, uptempo is working with man to man, zone, not with press unless you are fb?

By the way, Mike, not whining I did not plan well, coached well, so all my fault here. Just want to understand.

Cons:

Increased fatigue
More time to your backups
Effects your team more than theirs
More fouls for your team which can start the reverse fatigue cycle

Pros:

More shots
More possessions to force TO's
More fouls for their team


I use it all the time, some people think the results are more volatile but I don't have that experience. As long as I have the depth and stamina to do it the results don't really surprise me.

I don't think everything is a whine, zorzi.

I've gotten "odd" results, not necessarily outcome or fatigue but shot distribution, and seldom use it now. I sort of felt like, translating to real life, that it was one pass and shoot regardless of shot selection or who had the ball. Almost as dist didn't matter.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/25/2017 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Cons:

Increased fatigue
More time to your backups
Effects your team more than theirs
More fouls for your team which can start the reverse fatigue cycle

Pros:

More shots
More possessions to force TO's
More fouls for their team


I use it all the time, some people think the results are more volatile but I don't have that experience. As long as I have the depth and stamina to do it the results don't really surprise me.

Check Rupp game Trenton, bad decision on my part? I prolly killed Bruno and Murukami efficiency, and my pg too

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/25/2017 3:38:00 PM (view original):
I don't think everything is a whine, zorzi.

I've gotten "odd" results, not necessarily outcome or fatigue but shot distribution, and seldom use it now. I sort of felt like, translating to real life, that it was one pass and shoot regardless of shot selection or who had the ball. Almost as dist didn't matter.

The outcome was strange and felt the same reading the play by play

I personally haven't experienced increased volatility running uptempo. I've done it a lot with FB/Press, Flex/Press, Motion/Press, Motion/M2M.
I like to use it most on the FB/Press where I feel like I really run the other team into the ground with superior depth/stamina.

Typically if I have enough depth and think I can win the 'fouling game' then I go uptempo. I also feel like I end up going uptempo when I have a more offensive team than defensive.. not exactly sure why but that's what I feel like I've done historically.

Posted by Benis on 10/25/2017 3:55:00 PM (view original):
I personally haven't experienced increased volatility running uptempo. I've done it a lot with FB/Press, Flex/Press, Motion/Press, Motion/M2M.
I like to use it most on the FB/Press where I feel like I really run the other team into the ground with superior depth/stamina.

Typically if I have enough depth and think I can win the 'fouling game' then I go uptempo. I also feel like I end up going uptempo when I have a more offensive team than defensive.. not exactly sure why but that's what I feel like I've done historically.

Offensive was my logic but it backfired

What are your fatigue settings at?

Posted by Benis on 10/25/2017 4:14:00 PM (view original):
What are your fatigue settings at?

I think everyone should do all fairly fresh, with at most one guy at getting tired if it is DI and you have 1 5-star or something.

Posted by zorzii on 10/25/2017 3:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/25/2017 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Cons:

Increased fatigue
More time to your backups
Effects your team more than theirs
More fouls for your team which can start the reverse fatigue cycle

Pros:

More shots
More possessions to force TO's
More fouls for their team


I use it all the time, some people think the results are more volatile but I don't have that experience. As long as I have the depth and stamina to do it the results don't really surprise me.

Check Rupp game Trenton, bad decision on my part? I prolly killed Bruno and Murukami efficiency, and my pg too

Yeah, I would say that's a bad move. I almost never play uptempo against a team that good. No advantage to it. If you play normal, HES got a fatigue issue and YOU don't.

Zorzii, your team didn't have the main thing required to go uptempo - especially in game like this - depth. Your bench was a huge dropoff from your starters. Increasing minutes for those guys didn't make much sense here.

Posted by zorzii on 10/25/2017 3:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/25/2017 3:38:00 PM (view original):
I don't think everything is a whine, zorzi.

I've gotten "odd" results, not necessarily outcome or fatigue but shot distribution, and seldom use it now. I sort of felt like, translating to real life, that it was one pass and shoot regardless of shot selection or who had the ball. Almost as dist didn't matter.

The outcome was strange and felt the same reading the play by play

To better explain, I'd have a 16, 16, 12, 5 and 3 on the court. I'd expect the 5 and 3 to take maybe 15-18% of the shots. Combined. They might take all of them over a 3-4 minute period in uptempo. And the totals would be all jacked up.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/25/2017 6:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 10/25/2017 3:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/25/2017 3:38:00 PM (view original):
I don't think everything is a whine, zorzi.

I've gotten "odd" results, not necessarily outcome or fatigue but shot distribution, and seldom use it now. I sort of felt like, translating to real life, that it was one pass and shoot regardless of shot selection or who had the ball. Almost as dist didn't matter.

The outcome was strange and felt the same reading the play by play

To better explain, I'd have a 16, 16, 12, 5 and 3 on the court. I'd expect the 5 and 3 to take maybe 15-18% of the shots. Combined. They might take all of them over a 3-4 minute period in uptempo. And the totals would be all jacked up.

Going with the shot selection analysis makes sense to see if the outcomes are more spread.

But I lost on a bad decision, I should be in the NT game losing to Puerto Rico (he lost). So hopefully Virginia Union wins so it does not makes me regret more. I strategize : depth chart, shot selection, defense, offense, then litteraly thought about slowdown, normal and uptempo... I had a brain cramp. I lost a NT game on a brain cramp, now a final four game.

My experience is that it makes the result MORE predictable because there are more possessions to even out statistical anomalies.
However, I will ONLY do it if my bench is SIGNIFICANTLY better than my opponent's.
If you have a great starting 5 that's better than theirs, you want them against theirs longer. Don't speed it up.
Even If you are deeper (12 deep vs. 10) but your strength is in your starters, don't do it. The starters will play less.
If they are deeper, no way.
If you're even, nope.
If you have stamina, depth, and second team advantages, do this ALL DAY LONG if you want a more consistent result.
Recognize it will hurt you more than them if its close.

Posted by stewdog on 10/26/2017 12:03:00 PM (view original):
My experience is that it makes the result MORE predictable because there are more possessions to even out statistical anomalies.
However, I will ONLY do it if my bench is SIGNIFICANTLY better than my opponent's.
If you have a great starting 5 that's better than theirs, you want them against theirs longer. Don't speed it up.
Even If you are deeper (12 deep vs. 10) but your strength is in your starters, don't do it. The starters will play less.
If they are deeper, no way.
If you're even, nope.
If you have stamina, depth, and second team advantages, do this ALL DAY LONG if you want a more consistent result.
Recognize it will hurt you more than them if its close.

Agree with all of this (except maybe the first sentence in isolation, but then stewdog qualified it plenty). I'll just add that I think coaches in general vastly over-use uptempo. Just looking at overall STA, or overall team quality, isn't a reason to use uptempo at all.