So we know multiple skills determine how good a shooter or scorer is. Is there a consensus on how much weight each skill has? To my knowledge Spd, Ath, and BH all modify Per and LP as well as IQ.

I always end up in situations where I'm not sure if a player with 90 spd, 90 bh, and 75 per is a better shooter than 50 sp 60 bh and 87 per.

and more importantly trying to figure out if say a player with 90 spd, 90 bh, 75 per 1 LP is a better scoring option than a player with 60 spd 75 bh 60 per 50 LP. Things like that. I don't need answers to those, just examples.

I pay attention to fg% and things like that but there are still multiple variables that come with that.

I guess I'm just wondering if there is a basic scoring formula to go off to determine offensive talent of or if everyone kind of has their own

Thanks

ATH has more to do with scoring than SPD. (Unless we assume both players ATH in your examples are equal since you didn't list them)

As far as the rest of your example numbers, i'll let the pros answer that in better detail.

Man, I'm just not so sure that's the case in fastbreak.

I'm still trying to sort out FB but my fast guys tend to score more.

Speed kills.

Well even better. I learned some'm myself. I've always been told speed is more about defense than it is offense. I will say tho.... That team Jitter Thug has is as fast and athletic as can be!!!! Nice sophomore big too. I need more bigs like that!

mmk interesting. So is it safe to say that nobody really knows exactly how much other stats contribute to Per and LP? Or maybe a few people know and its a secret too valuable to give up?

Don't get me wrong, evaluating your players is always part of the fun, I'm fine with there being some guessing and trial and error. I just didn't want to be sitting here guessing if the weight of those skills were common knowledge.

I had a similar question a while back. Here is something that helped me from Trentonjoe


Quote: " As a general rule, I think 3 point shooting is something like 45% PER, 25% Speed, 20% BH, 10% ATH. There are other factors (team pass, offensive type, defensive players, defensive set, and defensive setting) but these are the individual players baseline. I use the above formula as a baseline but I think I undervalue PER a little in it." - Trentonjoe


This is just for 3pt shooting though. I suppose he has a different formula for post players and duel threat scorers.

It does sound like there isn't a set answer on any of this though. Who knows, someone else might have a very different formula that they are successful with.

I will bump my thread on this no one bothered to answer about the different types. Now is the time

Don’t fall too deep into the trap of what the attributes say, I’m a big fan of adjusting by conf time to what is actually happening. I’ve had quite a few studs not perform and duds more than pull there weight. Sometimes the chemistry of all your players attributes together make things just work. Basically don’t be scared to adjust to see what happens.

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/5/2017 9:55:00 PM (view original):
ATH has more to do with scoring than SPD. (Unless we assume both players ATH in your examples are equal since you didn't list them)

As far as the rest of your example numbers, i'll let the pros answer that in better detail.

That isn't right. Ath is more important if the player has a higher LP value. Speed is more important if you have a higher perimeter.

Thank you for clarifying for me. On a question i didn't ask.... But apparently probably SHOULD have!

A lot of different opinions on here, obviously. Until now, I've been told otherwise. I assumed the ATH difference made the difference between say, a prime Derrick Rose and Steph Curry. Both fast but Rose was a much better "scorer" taking it to the rim (not including Curry's 40ft pull up 3s). Is that not a good comparison?

Probably. Rose would have a higher ATH and LP score than Curry, IMO. Curry would have the superior PER. I don't know if one was a better ball handler but they were (are) both pretty good at it so it helps their ability to score.

I think a lot of it depends on how you coach the kid, take a look at the stats on one of my favorite guards I've ever coached. https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Stats.aspx?pid=2796455

Thomas only has 60 PER and that is his highest however I set him to -2 all season and fed him the ball, due to his other attributes he averaged 14 PPG and over 50% shooting along with a 2x conference player of the year. You could recruit the "cookie cutter" high Per high BH high SPD and ATH but at the end of the day I think you can easily impact the output of a player based off the coaching and numbers you put in.

Posted by all2matt on 12/5/2017 10:52:00 PM (view original):
Don’t fall too deep into the trap of what the attributes say, I’m a big fan of adjusting by conf time to what is actually happening. I’ve had quite a few studs not perform and duds more than pull there weight. Sometimes the chemistry of all your players attributes together make things just work. Basically don’t be scared to adjust to see what happens.

One million percent agree with this.

LP in guards is insanely valuable. This guy played against 6 SOS DI, with B+ IQ and still shot 12 PPG and 53%. As a freshman, he got 8 PPG shooting well. Singlehandedly got me to Sweet 16 as a FRESHMAN carrying the bench unit at the 2 (14 points on 6-8 shooting or something).