Did I fool you? I'm talking about the D3 Colorado! Not the D1 Colorado...... monstars just mentioned this in another thread. So i didn't highjack, or go off topic, I'll just start another thread, with hopes that someone can explain this to me. Its been brought up in the past a lot. But I've never heard a REALLY good explanation for this..... Why is the D3 Colorado team viewed as having an advantage of some sort? Yes, i realize an inexperienced coach might shy away from a recruit if Colorado is a school that shows up on the considering list. But the 'DIII' is right there to see also! That can't seriously be the reasoning is it? I don't even see THAT as being an "advantage". As far as recruit generation, I know its random. So maybe the Colorado area gets lucky with the recruits that are created from time to time? But there's no way that stays consistent. So what IS the reason? I think one of the "pole" brothers said this a few days ago, but its not like Denver is the mecca of inner city hoops and all the good ballers come from Denver in real life. Fill me in on this PLEASE!

There’s not another D3 school for like a 300 mile radius of the school, they get to recruit all of the Rocky Mountains with no competition.

Posted by MonsterTurtl on 4/7/2018 10:33:00 PM (view original):
There’s not another D3 school for like a 300 mile radius of the school, they get to recruit all of the Rocky Mountains with no competition.

Is the advantage still that great in 3.0? There's a bunch of D1 and D2 schools in Colorado, I would have assumed they'd hamper a lot of the opportunity for D3 Colorado to reach up in recruiting.

If there is a dominant RMAC it’s tougher. The two teams I have there isn’t and I pick whichever D2 recruits I like and rarely have to battle. In general I don’t recruit D1 at D3 because of poaching.

Recruit generation also isn't random -- the number of recruits generated in an area is correlated with the number of open scholarships in that area for that level. With many D1 and D2 teams in the mountain west, there are a lot of D1 and D2 players. However, there's only one D3 team in position to take advantage of anyone who slips through the cracks -- Colorado College.

Somewhat similar to Palm Beach Atlantic, as well.

My semi-joking question is whether or not D3 Colorado has a built-in advantage from people mistaking it for the D1 Colorado when it's High/Very High on a recruit. I know the division is clearly listed on the considering list, but I also know that I've almost clicked a card closed and moved on to the next option on my backup list before it registered which Colorado it was...

A good deal of the advantage of location is still perception lingering from the old game. In reality, with recruiting budgets so low, the location advantage should not matter much at all. Tons of good D2 players go to D3 teams with nothing but minimum AP and a scholarship. You have to have a lot of open scholarships just to max visits on a single local guy at D3. If more people scouted the Rockies and Florida (and internationals), and more people challenged for those guys, those advantages would be mitigated.

Posted by tkimble on 4/8/2018 1:16:00 AM (view original):
Recruit generation also isn't random -- the number of recruits generated in an area is correlated with the number of open scholarships in that area for that level. With many D1 and D2 teams in the mountain west, there are a lot of D1 and D2 players. However, there's only one D3 team in position to take advantage of anyone who slips through the cracks -- Colorado College.

Somewhat similar to Palm Beach Atlantic, as well.

This isn't quite accurate. Below is a ticket response from about 4 years ago when I asked about recruit generation:

Dan,

To generate recruits, we first determine the total number to create, which is based on the projected openings in that world.

As we generate the necessary number of players, they are assigned to a particular state. The odds for each state are based on the number of schools in that state. Once a state is selected, a high school from that state is randomly assigned, which determines the player's geographical location.

From season to season, there will be variance in quantity and quality in a particular area due to these factors.

Posted by rednu on 4/8/2018 3:26:00 AM (view original):
My semi-joking question is whether or not D3 Colorado has a built-in advantage from people mistaking it for the D1 Colorado when it's High/Very High on a recruit. I know the division is clearly listed on the considering list, but I also know that I've almost clicked a card closed and moved on to the next option on my backup list before it registered which Colorado it was...

Same thing for Illinois and Cornell.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 4/8/2018 8:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 4/8/2018 1:16:00 AM (view original):
Recruit generation also isn't random -- the number of recruits generated in an area is correlated with the number of open scholarships in that area for that level. With many D1 and D2 teams in the mountain west, there are a lot of D1 and D2 players. However, there's only one D3 team in position to take advantage of anyone who slips through the cracks -- Colorado College.

Somewhat similar to Palm Beach Atlantic, as well.

This isn't quite accurate. Below is a ticket response from about 4 years ago when I asked about recruit generation:

Dan,

To generate recruits, we first determine the total number to create, which is based on the projected openings in that world.

As we generate the necessary number of players, they are assigned to a particular state. The odds for each state are based on the number of schools in that state. Once a state is selected, a high school from that state is randomly assigned, which determines the player's geographical location.

From season to season, there will be variance in quantity and quality in a particular area due to these factors.

This is a good clarification -- I want to ask/clarify one thing: I'm pretty sure this process happens at each level, not in an entire world. This is why you don't see any D1 or D3 recruits in Alaska, but you'll see 8+ D2 recruits.

This seems wrong.

There are no D3 schools in Hawaii. However, as we near the end of Tark recruiting, Scouting Service says there are 3 unsigned D3 players in Hawaii.

So, the odds an individual D3 player will be generated in Hawaii are probably long-ish, but the chance isn't zero.

Posted by tkimble on 4/8/2018 11:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by darnoc29099 on 4/8/2018 8:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 4/8/2018 1:16:00 AM (view original):
Recruit generation also isn't random -- the number of recruits generated in an area is correlated with the number of open scholarships in that area for that level. With many D1 and D2 teams in the mountain west, there are a lot of D1 and D2 players. However, there's only one D3 team in position to take advantage of anyone who slips through the cracks -- Colorado College.

Somewhat similar to Palm Beach Atlantic, as well.

This isn't quite accurate. Below is a ticket response from about 4 years ago when I asked about recruit generation:

Dan,

To generate recruits, we first determine the total number to create, which is based on the projected openings in that world.

As we generate the necessary number of players, they are assigned to a particular state. The odds for each state are based on the number of schools in that state. Once a state is selected, a high school from that state is randomly assigned, which determines the player's geographical location.

From season to season, there will be variance in quantity and quality in a particular area due to these factors.

This is a good clarification -- I want to ask/clarify one thing: I'm pretty sure this process happens at each level, not in an entire world. This is why you don't see any D1 or D3 recruits in Alaska, but you'll see 8+ D2 recruits.

No, they don't consider divisional levels. That's really the only thing that might be called a flaw in recruit generation.

No spud they do, I’m pretty sure that they just spawn a few guys in the other divisions just cuz.

in Colorado Wooden there is 18 D3 recruits, 33 D2 recruits and 13 D1 recruits, which goes along with the amount of schools in each division.

Alaska 0 D3 12 D2 and 1 D1

Well, maybe they code a "just cuz" program. Riiiight. Or maybe they code a program with a LOT of variation from season to season so that it isn't obvious whether or not they consider Divisions. But did you notice that there was NO reference to divisions in the CS ticket reproduced above?