I have a flaw when it comes to per.

How good is a 87 PER, 71 BH guy, compared to a 89PEr, 54 BH. Do you check other stats? I prefer inside scoring and prolly don't use shooters well

The first guy is better. How much better? I don't know a little? It's kinda relative, if he's better than the defender not much.....

I would say in a vacuum, one point of PER is worth 4-5 pts of BH for scoring purposes.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/10/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
The first guy is better. How much better? I don't know a little? It's kinda relative, if he's better than the defender not much.....

I would say in a vacuum, one point of PER is worth 4-5 pts of BH for scoring purposes.

Do you put speed or athleticism in the equation? I know in LP scoring, ath is really important.

I also tend to think that 95 and over... It seems the shooter gets deadlier... Add a high BH and you have a stud. I'd like %... But we only all have impressions.

Posted by zorzii on 4/10/2018 10:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/10/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
The first guy is better. How much better? I don't know a little? It's kinda relative, if he's better than the defender not much.....

I would say in a vacuum, one point of PER is worth 4-5 pts of BH for scoring purposes.

Do you put speed or athleticism in the equation? I know in LP scoring, ath is really important.

For three point shooting speed is super important.

I use a formula that is something like 60% PER 25% Speed 15% BH.

ATH is important but I don't know how to work it in. I suspect that ATH is mainly used in the "who shoots" equation but I think it does play a role in "does the shot go in" equation.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/10/2018 10:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 4/10/2018 10:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/10/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
The first guy is better. How much better? I don't know a little? It's kinda relative, if he's better than the defender not much.....

I would say in a vacuum, one point of PER is worth 4-5 pts of BH for scoring purposes.

Do you put speed or athleticism in the equation? I know in LP scoring, ath is really important.

For three point shooting speed is super important.

I use a formula that is something like 60% PER 25% Speed 15% BH.

ATH is important but I don't know how to work it in. I suspect that ATH is mainly used in the "who shoots" equation but I think it does play a role in "does the shot go in" equation.

You can definetly get by on a relatively low ATH perimeter guy so long as he has A-A+ speed. All of my best PER players haven't been gifted athletically, but have all had high SPD-PER-BH. I'm talking 40 to near 50 PCT shooters. As far the why or the how, I don't know.

Yeah, I totally agree with that Mr. Jerk. I would take a 100-100-100 10 ATH guy over all 70's guy for shooting every day of the week.

What I am trying to say is that my high ATH guys with lower PER/SPD/ATH scores do better than I expect. It might be the lower DISTRO and +/- setting I use for them but I have noticed. it.

Posted by therealjerk on 4/10/2018 11:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/10/2018 10:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 4/10/2018 10:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/10/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
The first guy is better. How much better? I don't know a little? It's kinda relative, if he's better than the defender not much.....

I would say in a vacuum, one point of PER is worth 4-5 pts of BH for scoring purposes.

Do you put speed or athleticism in the equation? I know in LP scoring, ath is really important.

For three point shooting speed is super important.

I use a formula that is something like 60% PER 25% Speed 15% BH.

ATH is important but I don't know how to work it in. I suspect that ATH is mainly used in the "who shoots" equation but I think it does play a role in "does the shot go in" equation.

You can definetly get by on a relatively low ATH perimeter guy so long as he has A-A+ speed. All of my best PER players haven't been gifted athletically, but have all had high SPD-PER-BH. I'm talking 40 to near 50 PCT shooters. As far the why or the how, I don't know.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=5057&pid=3767133

My friend has used this guy as a microwave off the bench with good success. Terrible athleticism.

Posted by tgblackw on 4/10/2018 12:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by therealjerk on 4/10/2018 11:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/10/2018 10:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 4/10/2018 10:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/10/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
The first guy is better. How much better? I don't know a little? It's kinda relative, if he's better than the defender not much.....

I would say in a vacuum, one point of PER is worth 4-5 pts of BH for scoring purposes.

Do you put speed or athleticism in the equation? I know in LP scoring, ath is really important.

For three point shooting speed is super important.

I use a formula that is something like 60% PER 25% Speed 15% BH.

ATH is important but I don't know how to work it in. I suspect that ATH is mainly used in the "who shoots" equation but I think it does play a role in "does the shot go in" equation.

You can definetly get by on a relatively low ATH perimeter guy so long as he has A-A+ speed. All of my best PER players haven't been gifted athletically, but have all had high SPD-PER-BH. I'm talking 40 to near 50 PCT shooters. As far the why or the how, I don't know.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=5057&pid=3767133

My friend has used this guy as a microwave off the bench with good success. Terrible athleticism.

That's the kind of player I'm talking about, although I've never run a 22 ATH out there. Pretty wild. The ones I've had success with all hover around the 50-60 range. That's a pretty great example. Best thing about a player like that is it takes nothing to recruit him.

I agree it is kind of crazy. A guy like that off the bench can be very valuable. I would have to confirm with my friend, but I'm pretty sure he got that guy uncontested.

I noticed after I posted that his DEF is 9. I'd be surprised if he didn't get him uncontested, but still, that player clearly has some value, his 3 PT shooting accuracy + volume of shots is off the charts.

Maybe the ATH is just against the defense? Say he plays a higher ath player, maybe it decides if he can get free then SPD-BH-PER... If SPD is that important, my option off the bench will change to a SPEEDY, less defensive minded player.

Posted by therealjerk on 4/10/2018 12:44:00 PM (view original):
I noticed after I posted that his DEF is 9. I'd be surprised if he didn't get him uncontested, but still, that player clearly has some value, his 3 PT shooting accuracy + volume of shots is off the charts.

Can confirm, Rodgers is my boy. I have no idea how he ended up being that prolific, but he ended his career as the school's #2 all time leading scorer and #1 in made 3s without ever starting a game.

Posted by clbartley on 4/10/2018 4:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by therealjerk on 4/10/2018 12:44:00 PM (view original):
I noticed after I posted that his DEF is 9. I'd be surprised if he didn't get him uncontested, but still, that player clearly has some value, his 3 PT shooting accuracy + volume of shots is off the charts.

Can confirm, Rodgers is my boy. I have no idea how he ended up being that prolific, but he ended his career as the school's #2 all time leading scorer and #1 in made 3s without ever starting a game.

Nice pull and nice usage.

So...something I think gets overlooked is shot selection. I tend to have teams that outperform their ratings on a 3P% basis but I think its because I dont shoot many 3s. Its a rare player I go +2 on. But Ive had 70-75 PER guys shoot 45% at -1 but the attempts are on the low side.