Anyone know the criteria for Jrs staying or going? I've lost Jrs that were in the 90's on the Big Board and had some as low as #30 stay. Any clues?
6/4/2018 10:50 PM
sorry about that entry spelling, fingers slipped sideways
6/4/2018 10:51 PM
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Posted by steveatdsm on 6/4/2018 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Anyone know the criteria for Jrs staying or going? I've lost Jrs that were in the 90's on the Big Board and had some as low as #30 stay. Any clues?
You mean besides blind luck?

It's basically just BINGO.
6/5/2018 6:27 AM
Posted by Benis on 6/5/2018 6:27:00 AM (view original):
Posted by steveatdsm on 6/4/2018 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Anyone know the criteria for Jrs staying or going? I've lost Jrs that were in the 90's on the Big Board and had some as low as #30 stay. Any clues?
You mean besides blind luck?

It's basically just BINGO.
It’s not anything like Bingo, unless you play a version of Bingo where the balls are arranged and selected according to how good they are, and are then appropriately weighted to determine the probability of actually being called out.
6/5/2018 5:59 PM
Posted by Benis on 6/5/2018 6:27:00 AM (view original):
Posted by steveatdsm on 6/4/2018 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Anyone know the criteria for Jrs staying or going? I've lost Jrs that were in the 90's on the Big Board and had some as low as #30 stay. Any clues?
You mean besides blind luck?

It's basically just BINGO.
+1
6/5/2018 6:23 PM
Posted by shoe3 on 6/5/2018 6:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 6/5/2018 6:27:00 AM (view original):
Posted by steveatdsm on 6/4/2018 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Anyone know the criteria for Jrs staying or going? I've lost Jrs that were in the 90's on the Big Board and had some as low as #30 stay. Any clues?
You mean besides blind luck?

It's basically just BINGO.
It’s not anything like Bingo, unless you play a version of Bingo where the balls are arranged and selected according to how good they are, and are then appropriately weighted to determine the probability of actually being called out.
how good they are, according to a system that massively favors certain attributes, but yes.
6/6/2018 8:00 AM
Here’s what I said in another thread:

For what it’s worth, here are the prime indicators I use to gauge if a player is a possible early entry candidate. I evaluate all players for whom I expend significant recruiting effort (all in, or near max visits). I don’t mind early entry candidates, but I try not to have more than one in any given class. In order of importance:

1) Class ranking by position. Top 5 players by position are very likely to be on the big board prior to their senior year, and are EE candidates. Top 20 players by position are all in the watch zone for me. There are obviously some duds that never get too close, and you can spot them by potential. At the same time, there are (rarely) players out of the top 20 by position with high potential who can get to the big board prior to senior year, with maximized development.
**ETA- inclusive of 4-5 star ranked internationals.
2) LP/Per combo. If either projects to 90+, or if in combination they project to 140+, they may be early entry candidates, if some other baseline conditions are met.
3) Ath/Spd/Def core. In general, a 250 combo in those 3 will put the player in range, if other conditions are met. Sometimes guards with 100/100 ath/def, but under 80 speed can sneak by off the big board, even if they surpass the 250.
**in the original I said 270. Not sure why. I meant 250.
4) Skill cores all project above 80. For guards, it’s per, ball handling **(and passing, I accidentally said speed before); for bigs it’s rebounding, block, and LP. Keep in mind, the fake NBA GMs value skill cores (especially LP and per) more than the HD community does.
5) Overall near 800. This is the least important of the indicators, but especially if one or more of the indicators above is true, this one can be worth looking at, especially if the player has no glaring weakness at his position.

People mistakenly use the word “random” in relation to the big board and EEs. What they mean is probabilistic, of course. Even though a number is randomly generated to trigger the final decision, where that number lies on the player’s probability line is determined by how the system weighs his attributes, and how he stacks up relatively against everyone else. There is a rhyme and reason, it is our job as coaches to assess where each player we recruit lines up.
6/6/2018 10:39 AM (edited)
I guess my question wasn't stated as well as it should have been. I'm fairly familiar with knowing what criteria puts a player on the Big Board but I keep wondering why some are/are not selected to go EE. For instance, last season I had the following two players pretty high (one under #30, the other about #45) on the BB and thought I was going to be up the creek this season with that team since I expected to lose them both:

Junior C 946 Total Points 94A 59S 98R 98D 100SB 99LP 55Per 52BH 73P (489 out of 500 front court skill points, 97.8 average)
Soph PG 862 Total Points 100A 88S 32R 100D 17SB 63LP 90Per 99BH 85P (462 out of 500 back court skill points, 92.4 average)

Neither one went EE. Team wasn't that great but did get into NT from a Big 6 conference.

I haven't had that kind of good luck before. In fact, I can't remember having a Junior on the BB that didn't leave, even from teams that were really so-so.

I'm thinking BINGO game may be the answer.
6/6/2018 12:01 PM
If you're asking what did you do to get a guy that was #30 to stay - the answer is nothing. Just like BINGO, the only thing you can control is how many game boards you purchase. Purchase several additional BINGO boards and you increase your chances of winning.

Then you sit back and fill in the numbered squares with your little colored marker. It's a blast! So it comes as no surprise that BINGO is known as a highly competitive and strategic mind bender amongst true gamers.
6/6/2018 12:30 PM
It should also be noted that praise will be heaped upon you by the esteemed BINGO community for skillfully selecting BINGO game board #472 over BINGO game boards #785 and #255. Truly you are a master of your craft and your genius is a feat to behold as you leave others in awe as you click on your World News and shout BINGO! at 2:05am at the conclusion of the postseason.
6/6/2018 12:37 PM
Posted by Benis on 6/6/2018 12:37:00 PM (view original):
It should also be noted that praise will be heaped upon you by the esteemed BINGO community for skillfully selecting BINGO game board #472 over BINGO game boards #785 and #255. Truly you are a master of your craft and your genius is a feat to behold as you leave others in awe as you click on your World News and shout BINGO! at 2:05am at the conclusion of the postseason.
+1
6/6/2018 12:59 PM
Benis
I've got those same 2 plus 2 more on that BB this season (OK one's now a Sr) and I think I missed the part where you told me where I could purchase more BINGO boards. I'm going to need them.
6/6/2018 1:06 PM
Posted by Benis on 6/6/2018 12:37:00 PM (view original):
It should also be noted that praise will be heaped upon you by the esteemed BINGO community for skillfully selecting BINGO game board #472 over BINGO game boards #785 and #255. Truly you are a master of your craft and your genius is a feat to behold as you leave others in awe as you click on your World News and shout BINGO! at 2:05am at the conclusion of the postseason.
See, this is a version of bingo I’ve never heard of before. One where a player uses resources to prioritize and select boards with discernible probabilities, some with very high probability of getting called, and some with median or low probability, or none at all.

Apparently Benis really wants us to believe he’s not smart enough to know the differences between players who will likely leave early vs players who may leave early vs players who will not leave early.

He does get one thing right. You don’t “do anything” to a player at draft time to affect his decision. By the end of the season, his position on the master list is set, and it’s in the hands of probability. The reason is that this is a simulation of a real life decision that humans make. Coaches don’t make players’ decisions for them. Of course, you do affect his position on the list throughout the season based on development choices you make.
6/6/2018 1:15 PM
Posted by steveatdsm on 6/6/2018 1:06:00 PM (view original):
Benis
I've got those same 2 plus 2 more on that BB this season (OK one's now a Sr) and I think I missed the part where you told me where I could purchase more BINGO boards. I'm going to need them.
It's simple - remove all practice minutes.

Every rating point the player decreases by grants you 1 additional BINGO board.
6/6/2018 1:18 PM
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