I hate this game, I built my best team ever. Beat multiple top 10 reams and lose to SIM in the round of 32. Scored 30+ points less then my average. If this was a human I could say nice game plan, but beat human teams better than this. I have no clue why none of my role players couldn't score, ie Shepard and Rudd. This is not fun anymore, don't know what to do to make my first NT game.
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I hate fastbreak and wasn't crazy about the lineup/game plan you used but you should have beaten that team 95 out of 100 times even as it was. I feel for you.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/14/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):
I hate fastbreak and wasn't crazy about the lineup/game plan you used but you should have beaten that team 95 out of 100 times even as it was. I feel for you.

What was wrong with lineup. I went -1 uptempo as I have done all year and beat very good teams

I feel your pain. FB/press has some advantages, but it certainly seems more prone to random upsets, especially when you get a guy with foul trouble early.

Posted by terps21234 on 7/14/2018 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/14/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):
I hate fastbreak and wasn't crazy about the lineup/game plan you used but you should have beaten that team 95 out of 100 times even as it was. I feel for you.

What was wrong with lineup. I went -1 uptempo as I have done all year and beat very good teams

Against a team with five SF to C players that are SRs and all with A range IQ, I never would have run out a three guard lineup. I know you've been doing it all year but (and I was too lazy to look at every box score) how many teams did you crush with that type of SR roster configuration? It puts an awful lot of pressure on your PG and SG to not have an off night.

I'm not trying to be critical. I did say you'd win 95 out of 100. I just believe, the way you set the game up, you left an opening to be simmed if your guards didn't absolutely dominate.

I agree in that you would win that matchup more often than not. But some things I notice after just a quick look.....

your "team" has good stamina overall. But your starters don't. That puts a lot more minutes in your bench. And also can mess with your distro plan, as maybe some of your higher distro guys aren't in the game as long. If you had high distro on SG, he fouled out and that could've played into what i'm saying.

also you're not an elite team as far as athleticism for the offense defense you play. Good, but not elite.

And last, that was an above average sim that was coached by humans fairly recently in the past and had a good pestige. They have a number of ranked players on the roster, which isn't everything. But it wasn't the worst sim team I've ever seen.

Keep at it tho, you're only 5 seasons in to this team (I think it was 5). You've made a couple of NT. You'll get some breaks if you keep on improving. And i'm not sure what you meant about making your first NT game. You have made the NT twice and won two games from what I saw. If you meant a National Championship game, it takes more than 5 seasons to get there in most cases. Unless you're a coach that already knows how to win titles, that may be the exception. There's only one winner each year. And probably 20 coaches at each level in each world that have a shot. This game isn't easy!

Posted by topdogggbm on 7/14/2018 4:06:00 PM (view original):
I agree in that you would win that matchup more often than not. But some things I notice after just a quick look.....

your "team" has good stamina overall. But your starters don't. That puts a lot more minutes in your bench. And also can mess with your distro plan, as maybe some of your higher distro guys aren't in the game as long. If you had high distro on SG, he fouled out and that could've played into what i'm saying.

also you're not an elite team as far as athleticism for the offense defense you play. Good, but not elite.

And last, that was an above average sim that was coached by humans fairly recently in the past and had a good pestige. They have a number of ranked players on the roster, which isn't everything. But it wasn't the worst sim team I've ever seen.

Keep at it tho, you're only 5 seasons in to this team (I think it was 5). You've made a couple of NT. You'll get some breaks if you keep on improving. And i'm not sure what you meant about making your first NT game. You have made the NT twice and won two games from what I saw. If you meant a National Championship game, it takes more than 5 seasons to get there in most cases. Unless you're a coach that already knows how to win titles, that may be the exception. There's only one winner each year. And probably 20 coaches at each level in each world that have a shot. This game isn't easy!

This is a really good post.

Posted by topdogggbm on 7/14/2018 4:06:00 PM (view original):
I agree in that you would win that matchup more often than not. But some things I notice after just a quick look.....

your "team" has good stamina overall. But your starters don't. That puts a lot more minutes in your bench. And also can mess with your distro plan, as maybe some of your higher distro guys aren't in the game as long. If you had high distro on SG, he fouled out and that could've played into what i'm saying.

also you're not an elite team as far as athleticism for the offense defense you play. Good, but not elite.

And last, that was an above average sim that was coached by humans fairly recently in the past and had a good pestige. They have a number of ranked players on the roster, which isn't everything. But it wasn't the worst sim team I've ever seen.

Keep at it tho, you're only 5 seasons in to this team (I think it was 5). You've made a couple of NT. You'll get some breaks if you keep on improving. And i'm not sure what you meant about making your first NT game. You have made the NT twice and won two games from what I saw. If you meant a National Championship game, it takes more than 5 seasons to get there in most cases. Unless you're a coach that already knows how to win titles, that may be the exception. There's only one winner each year. And probably 20 coaches at each level in each world that have a shot. This game isn't easy!

Thanks for the input. Most of my distro was in my bench players. Fletcher led my team in scoring and Vickers was a starting PG for 2 seasons. So I was not worried about my starters stamina. I went with SP with this team instead of Ath because of FB.
Yes I meant NC game. I've been at this for 10 years, not just with this team, I used to have 5 teams. I just think I'm never going to get there. This was my best class so far. Taking people's advice and so forth.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/14/2018 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by terps21234 on 7/14/2018 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/14/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):
I hate fastbreak and wasn't crazy about the lineup/game plan you used but you should have beaten that team 95 out of 100 times even as it was. I feel for you.

What was wrong with lineup. I went -1 uptempo as I have done all year and beat very good teams

Against a team with five SF to C players that are SRs and all with A range IQ, I never would have run out a three guard lineup. I know you've been doing it all year but (and I was too lazy to look at every box score) how many teams did you crush with that type of SR roster configuration? It puts an awful lot of pressure on your PG and SG to not have an off night.

I'm not trying to be critical. I did say you'd win 95 out of 100. I just believe, the way you set the game up, you left an opening to be simmed if your guards didn't absolutely dominate.

Thanks for the insight. I need people to be critical if I'm going to get better. My SG Lyons is more of a SF, good Ath and Def and Reb, than a guard.
That's what I don't understand why my guards didn't dominate. Rudd and Shepard avg about 7ppg and did nothing. Same with Vickers. My bench should of dominated and he should of fouled way more than he did with his bench def ratings, they were awful.

Posted by shoe3 on 7/14/2018 2:21:00 PM (view original):
I feel your pain. FB/press has some advantages, but it certainly seems more prone to random upsets, especially when you get a guy with foul trouble early.

I agree, but my SG that got into foul trouble got his avg ppg and my bench guys did nothing. Rudd, Shepard, and Vickers

Posted by terps21234 on 7/14/2018 5:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 7/14/2018 4:06:00 PM (view original):
I agree in that you would win that matchup more often than not. But some things I notice after just a quick look.....

your "team" has good stamina overall. But your starters don't. That puts a lot more minutes in your bench. And also can mess with your distro plan, as maybe some of your higher distro guys aren't in the game as long. If you had high distro on SG, he fouled out and that could've played into what i'm saying.

also you're not an elite team as far as athleticism for the offense defense you play. Good, but not elite.

And last, that was an above average sim that was coached by humans fairly recently in the past and had a good pestige. They have a number of ranked players on the roster, which isn't everything. But it wasn't the worst sim team I've ever seen.

Keep at it tho, you're only 5 seasons in to this team (I think it was 5). You've made a couple of NT. You'll get some breaks if you keep on improving. And i'm not sure what you meant about making your first NT game. You have made the NT twice and won two games from what I saw. If you meant a National Championship game, it takes more than 5 seasons to get there in most cases. Unless you're a coach that already knows how to win titles, that may be the exception. There's only one winner each year. And probably 20 coaches at each level in each world that have a shot. This game isn't easy!

Thanks for the input. Most of my distro was in my bench players. Fletcher led my team in scoring and Vickers was a starting PG for 2 seasons. So I was not worried about my starters stamina. I went with SP with this team instead of Ath because of FB.
Yes I meant NC game. I've been at this for 10 years, not just with this team, I used to have 5 teams. I just think I'm never going to get there. This was my best class so far. Taking people's advice and so forth.

I'm no different than you tho. I've never made a championship game either. So take my advice with a grain of salt. It seems ATH/SPD/DEF dominate the game. Your ath was around 60. Mine has been in the 60s also. Your speed was excellent. Overall, that was just a bad sim loss in my opinion. But I doubt you would've made the title game regardless. I had a team just like yours a few seasons back when I first started becoming competitive. I was 30-0 or 31-0 and made the sweet 16 and ran into a team that was far superior than mine. I didn't think so at that time. But looking back, I know now that I couldn't have hung with that team, and probably would've lost 85 out of 100 games to that same team.

i'm still trying to get over the hump myself. Keep reaching out to championship coaches thru sitemail. That's what has helped me improve.

Posted by terps21234 on 7/14/2018 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/14/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):
I hate fastbreak and wasn't crazy about the lineup/game plan you used but you should have beaten that team 95 out of 100 times even as it was. I feel for you.

What was wrong with lineup. I went -1 uptempo as I have done all year and beat very good teams

I'm surprised nobody has said anything about this yet. Playing the same defensive depth and tempo in every game is an inherent mistake. And frankly, playing uptempo against most teams is probably not in your best interest ever. Regardless of how deep your team is, I've found uptempo to hurt more often than it helps. It hurts less when you run FB in terms of efficiency, but then it gets you more on the stamina end of things.

80 team stamina is enough to feel pretty comfortable uptempo, as long as you’re 12 deep. Against weaker sims, going uptempo is more likely to prevent bad things (increasing possessions) than to cause problems, assuming the team is suited to uptempo. Like most bad sims, no second guessing is going to account for getting whacked by the ugly stick. But if I had to second guess, I am very hesitant to go negative setting while going uptempo with a FB/press team. Maybe +1 or +2 reduces those fouls, which was the difference in the game.

Really good critiques here. Good information that will be used for my game planning in future. In my simplified old fart wisdom, every time I get to the Tourney and use the same game plan as always, I always get beat. The great teams (Coaches) game plan even for Sim Squads in the NT.

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/14/2018 6:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by terps21234 on 7/14/2018 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/14/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):
I hate fastbreak and wasn't crazy about the lineup/game plan you used but you should have beaten that team 95 out of 100 times even as it was. I feel for you.

What was wrong with lineup. I went -1 uptempo as I have done all year and beat very good teams

I'm surprised nobody has said anything about this yet. Playing the same defensive depth and tempo in every game is an inherent mistake. And frankly, playing uptempo against most teams is probably not in your best interest ever. Regardless of how deep your team is, I've found uptempo to hurt more often than it helps. It hurts less when you run FB in terms of efficiency, but then it gets you more on the stamina end of things.

I'm not really sure about part of this response. I could easily be wrong. As I don't have your experience. But i'm just going by what I've been taught by some good coaches.

"playing uptempo against most teams is probably not in your best interest ever"

if you run fastbreak/press or anything/press, you build your team around ATH/SPD/DEF and the kicker.... Stamina. So by running uptempo, you bury the other teams fatigue while yours isn't affected as much. I think running uptempo is the ONLY way to maximize your efforts. As running normal does not fatigue the other team as well, which is the main idea with press.

Most successful press teams I've seen, run you in to the ground by running uptempo. And press teams that run normal tend to underachieve. At least from what I've seen.

Thoughts, everyone?