I will present a totally hypothetical situation that goes directly to border issues. Please express what you would think if it was happening in reality. I'll present the situation and then ask you to answer a couple of direct questions. Pretend we're in a classroom discussion. I'll keep it civil and you keep it civil. Let's ALL not be "those guys" in this discussion.


There is a massive nuclear accident at the Enrico Fermi plant in the United States on the Michigan shoreline of Lake Erie. The situation dictates that much of the fallout has pushed across Canada in a weather pattern in a northeastern track. This has virtually cut off the entire northwestern tip of Windsor from Amhertsberg to Stoney Point. The residents of the remaining part of Windsor are still threatened by changing weather patterns and, after a multi-nation nuclear state of emergency is declared, the remaining citizens of Windsor are being told to evacuate to the United States by the Canadian government. This has been done without prior consultation with the government of the United States. A very large amount of Canadians immediately begin fleeing to the United States across the water in boats, across bridges in Detroit and Port Huron and border crossings are quickly inundated. The "crush" of humanity trying to escape to the United States is over 100,000 people. These people may be safe staying in Canada and they may not. The situation is fluid and the outlook is over several months and not immediate unless weather patters change. Much of the Northern Great Lakes region in a parallel line from Toledo, Ohio to the eastern seaboard is being recommended to evacuate to the south. All of northeast Canada has begun to evacuate to the west. The Canadian citizens of this specific area of Windsor are not under a direct threat unless weather changes dictate otherwise. They might be fine staying where they are.

Two direct questions.

1. What would you think should be done with these Canadian citizens, who would be considered to be seeking "asylum" in the United States?

2. How would you feel "politically?"

Again I would ask that we try to keep this like a classroom discussion.

My answers.

1. I would think that they are refugees from a dire situation. All possible should be done to make them safe and, if they wish, to be considered for citizenship.

2. I would completely remove myself from the political impact and think of it in humanitarian terms first and foremost. It would never enter my mind that these people were a threat to border security. I would feel that they have been forced by a potentially life-threatening situation to seek asylum in the US. If they want to become citizens they should apply and get in line. I would place an extraordinary amount of effort and funding towards cleaning up this situation as best as possible and hope that we as a people would react with the greatest concern being humanitarian. I would think we could easily allocate over a billion dollars in military assets and funding towards this effort without threatening our overall security.

Well, we helped along the 2009 political coup in Honduras which is directly related to the crisis there.....

"Helped along" is certainly an opinion, not a fact. Even agreeing to that, helping along is far from directly causing. Also, the direct cause left the location absolutely uninhabitable, why the coup left the location uninhabitable as they want to. Just two of the not so small differences between the two situations.

Uh, we froze the Honduran governments assets as the coup started, paralyzing them. We definitely played a role.

Grasping at straws that are totally unrelated doesn't help your cause. Freezing a Government's money is the same as contaminating the entire area? Extreme even for you. Just stop with the nonsense. I thought this was supposed to be civil and rational. Obviously this shows that you're incapable of at least one of those.

Thanks for an honest answer all3.

Nothing uncivil or irrational involved. We took direct action during a coup attempt that succeeded. That gives us some responsibility....no?

The only one calling people irrational and a post nonsense is you.

You are going off the rails Taint. And you didn't answer the questions.

My bad.

Half of the point of the whole thing was to see if it could be kept intelligent and civil. Can't you just answer the actual questions?

I think they were answered perfectly by All3.

1. Invade them while the country is in chaos. We would double our land mass, unite Alaska with the rest of the nation and rid the north of French as an official language.