How high will the ratings of the following players get?

Player Profile: Anthony Leonard - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

Player Profile: Allie Baker - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

Player Profile: Posiedon Walsh - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

Not enough information.

But generally speaking if their post-ditr ovr is still less than 45, they're not getting to the majors

The best part about these DITRs are that each one of them got it before 3rd year pro. So, you should see major bumps assuming they get into most games and play. However, each player is going to be either a AAA, AAAA, or barely rosterable MLB players.

Anthony Leonard may end up being a rosterable C at the MLB level because DITR catchers get large bumps to pitch calling. However, his arm will not improve much. Also, he will need to play every day (development time) with the use of 'player rest'. He has a low injury rating, so you need to be very careful with his playing time, but still need to be sure he gets into as many games as possible if you want him to make it.

Allie Baker might make it. He would be a lower end pitcher out of the bullpen, but I think because his R split is already at 42, he could make it. Or, maybe you could put him as a second part of a tandem starter with a leftie as the first part. He isn't going to have the control that i like (above 80), but his pitch 1 should get into the mid to high 70s and his pitch 2 should get into the high 60s or maybe low 70s. He could possibly get higher than my above prediction because he is so young, but his under 80 makeup makes me think he will only hit the above levels.

Posiedon might make it as well. I like that he has 0 years pro. I also like that he already has a major league level first pitch. His pitch 1 could make all the way to the high 80s. He could make it as well.

All depends on playing time. But, I don't think any of these players are going to be world beaters. Maybe pieces in a trade where you can throw them in and get an upgrade somewhere. There are plenty of owners out there that want cheap controllable players (even if they are not all that great).

Thanks tklowster! That’s a big help. Follow up question. I know individual stats matter but just being general. Which player will become a higher overall. Same pro years and same everything but one is projected 40 overall with 90 makeup and one is projected 50 overall with 70 makeup.? What if the 50 overall had 80 makeup? Thanks!

I only pay attention to overall rating some of the time:
1. When the draft pool comes out, I use overall as a starting point to start evaluating my board. But just a starting point. After that I start to sort by more important factors.
2. When I am looking to move (trade) some of my minor league talent (that I don't feel will ever make my MLB team), I will look at the overall rating of a player on another owner's team that is in a contract year because his overall rating is going to determine whether he is a comp pick type player the following season.
3. When I am deciding on whether or not to take on a new team and I look at the roster, I will sort by overall and look at each player above 70 overall and see how the team is made up.

There may be some others, but overall rating really is just general.

I rarely have much in advanced scouting so even if I could see projections for my players, I wouldn't trust them. If you have more than 16 million in advanced scouting than I would trust your advanced scouts more than anybody on this board. If I had to take a stab at which of the three will have the highest overall in three seasons, I will take Posiedon because he currently has the highest overall rating and the least amount of years pro. Leonard may have a high makeup, but DITR will not affect his injury or his durability. Those two ratings (durability and injury) will remain low on Leonard. Also, the injury rating and the durability rating have a huge effect on the overall of a player. There are many players that have an 82 overall rating, but most of their value comes from durability rating in the high 80s and an injury rating in the 90s. These guys are still valuable because you set them at their position and forget about them. However, try not to overpay or overscout these guys.

Keep in mind that a guy with 90 durability as a position player can play every game with little to no fatigue. So, the extra ten points of durability (for a guy with 100 durability) may higher his overall rating, but it is an illusion because he is no better than the same player with 90 durability. For pitchers, it is a bit different. Durability for a pitcher is HUGE, especially a starting pitcher. I just had a slightly above average [peripheral] pitcher win the Cy Young award because he pitched better than his ratings due to elite defense and having a career year, but mainly because he pitched 293 innings. He could only do that because he had a durability above 30.

Although that’s very very helpful, I agree, I don’t rely on overalls at all besides minor leagues. My question is more, do you look at makeup or ratings for which guy would potentially be the better player if they got DiTRed?

Also, your hypothetical question is tough to answer because if they had the same type of pro years, where are they in their development? Do they both have three pro years or zero pro years. Does one player have a higher overall rating due to injury and and durability whereas the other player has bettering ratings with low durability and injury. These are all contributing factors. I seem to learn more about DITRs every year and I bet I will continue to learn more about DITRs in the season to come.

In Arizona last year, I had a guy who was 24 years old and he was in his fifth year as a pro. He was already a 48 overall and he had a make up of 94. I was super stoked that he got hit on the head with DITR. Even the correspondence that I received read that this guy just had a major breakthrough. His projections went through the roof. However, this season, I was extremely disappointed with his development. From 48 overall at the start of last season, he started this season at a 62 and only moved to a 65 by the end of the season. The player already had a durability of 90 and an injury of 77 so those did not improve. A younger player that got DITR with this kind of makeup rating would see bumps of 3-5 in contact, splits, eye, glove, baserunning, arm accuracy during his 1st full season after DITR. But, he was only getting bumps of 1 each development cycle. He got a 2 bump in some ratings from spring training, but nothing substantial after that. So, I have changed my DITR strategy a bit.

What have you changed too? Young players with high makeup? Or young players with solid makeup and solid ratings?

The way that I look at it is that I need to have enough players on my team that are not eligible for DITR, but are good minor league players. This way, they will still help my minor league team win games. For the guys that I have on my team for the sole purpose of hoping that they get DITR, I target two types of players.
1. players with makeup in the high 80s that are less than three years pro.
2. players that have low durability (typically pitchers, catchers, 1b/COF), but already have a good chance to make the MLB due to high ratings. These type of players are much more rare and either need to be traded for, drafted or signed in the INTL free agent market. But if you can get a guy that has projected 60 across the board in all of his hitting ratings, but has low durability and fielding ratings, he could get hit on the head with DITR with a makeup rating of under 50 and he will still make it as a C, DH, or 1b. Or, if you can get a guy that is only going to have a stamina of 11 and a durability of 28, but his splits, pitches, and control are still going to hit somewhere in the 50s or 60s, he could turn out to make the MLB even with a low makeup rating.

In the end, most DITRs are not going to make the MLB, if you can get the max DITRs [3] every year and 1 of them makes it to the MLB, you are doing yourself a huge favor. Every now and then, you will get a guy that is really nice, but to expect one of those types of players every season is unreasonable.

Every now and then, you will see a 2b, 3b, or SS with makeup in the 90s, that makes it the MLB and becomes an every day starter. However, I have never seen an all star DITR at CF, SS, or 2b. If somebody can prove me wrong, I would love to see somebody post a player that proves the above statement wrong. I suppose you could find a low durability SS type with elite defense and slightly below average hitting skills, that gets hit with DITR and all of sudden he becomes a great part time player, but I wonder if a part time player can become an all star. My guess is yes because the owner players him every day the first half of the season, but that is just a hypothetical.

Wow, very interesting. Can some people post the best DiTRs they’ve ever seen?

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Player Profile: Matty Espinosa - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports (one of the best i've seen)

Espinoza a beast. Interesting he only has 86 makeup, but the other guys had 90+.

Any other great DiTRs?

It's definitely not a crap shoot. There is coding behind it, so if you can find great candidates, you are only helping yourself. Makeup is the obvious answer, but there are other players (rarer) you can eye to where if they get bopped with DITR, you will be friggin celebrating despite only a 60-85 makeup rating.