Does it depend on the amount of recruiting effort, whether he stays or walks?

Hey Wiz if i remember correctly i think effort is they key. Ive never actually lost anyone ive signed as an ineligible, but i usually put in a considerable amount of aps into them to secure them.

That's very helpful, Nick. I wonder if prestige plays a part in the decision making process. Thanks.

Im not just saying this because it's my favorite forum word. But I thought it was completely random.

i've only lost one ineligible to juco. And signed maybe 8 total ineligibles in my career. I signed one STUD for D2 with only AP. And he stayed and became a bigtime player. The guy I recruited that went juco had a ton of effort. So I just assumed it was random.

(here's the D2 stud I signed for just AP. Pretty impressive I thought! He's graduating as we speak.)

https://imgur.com/a/cj5okjd

I don't know where I read it, but I thought DI ineligibles always came on board and it was only at DII and DIII where they could go to JUCO.

EDIT: I've offered five or six ineligibles, all with relatively low prestige at DI, and all have signed.

Posted by pallas on 2/21/2019 8:38:00 PM (view original):
I don't know where I read it, but I thought DI ineligibles always came on board and it was only at DII and DIII where they could go to JUCO.

EDIT: I've offered five or six ineligibles, all with relatively low prestige at DI, and all have signed.

There’s no ANQ at D3 level.

They all show up, you just need to get these minutes up, the start also… And what is fun with the ineligibles is that you can promise anything and you don't have to fulfill it.

Posted by zorzii on 2/23/2019 10:52:00 AM (view original):
They all show up, you just need to get these minutes up, the start also… And what is fun with the ineligibles is that you can promise anything and you don't have to fulfill it.

First, they definitely don't all show up as some go JUCO. Second, you can have promise starts and minutes in session 1 for an academic ineligible, have them sign in session 1, but they can certainly become eligible during session 2 and you're stuck with having to fulfill those promises.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 2/23/2019 12:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 2/23/2019 10:52:00 AM (view original):
They all show up, you just need to get these minutes up, the start also… And what is fun with the ineligibles is that you can promise anything and you don't have to fulfill it.

First, they definitely don't all show up as some go JUCO. Second, you can have promise starts and minutes in session 1 for an academic ineligible, have them sign in session 1, but they can certainly become eligible during session 2 and you're stuck with having to fulfill those promises.

Yeah, it happens, but it's worth the risk don't you think? And I haven't had any not show up under 3.0.

Posted by zorzii on 2/23/2019 2:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by darnoc29099 on 2/23/2019 12:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 2/23/2019 10:52:00 AM (view original):
They all show up, you just need to get these minutes up, the start also… And what is fun with the ineligibles is that you can promise anything and you don't have to fulfill it.

First, they definitely don't all show up as some go JUCO. Second, you can have promise starts and minutes in session 1 for an academic ineligible, have them sign in session 1, but they can certainly become eligible during session 2 and you're stuck with having to fulfill those promises.

Yeah, it happens, but it's worth the risk don't you think? And I haven't had any not show up under 3.0.

I think it's worth the risk. I do it when I recruit ineligibles. But i'm more cautious with higher GPA like a 2.7. If it's 2.0.... 25 min and a start please

One thing I have noticed since 3.0 is more non qualifiers "qualify" during recruiting. So while you can promise stuff while you recruit and dont have to fulfill it - you DO if they qualify which can make things interesting.

I dont think 3.0 changed how nonqualifiers work, but I think it changed some other things that interact with nonqualifiers

1. I dont think more guys are qualifiying, BUT with the first cycle of recruiting now earlier - during the season - the kids who move from NQ to qualifying happen while we are recruiting. Before 3.0, if you tagged guys you would see them qualify, but in 2.0 it was before you took recruiting actions.

2. I think we see fewer DI NQs go juco because you see fewer guys signed as nonqualifiers with very little effort. Recruiting effort gets spread around more and the nature of the process is different, so I think it is rare to have a good nonqualifier sign with tiny effort

3. I believe it is still true that effort affects whetrher a guy enrolls or goes juco in DI. I also think school prestige matters. If the kid is a reach for you, it will on average take a bit more effort to keep him from going juco. On the other hand, if an A prestige school pursues a one star nonqualfier he may be thrilled with very little effort.

CS response:

The maximum non-qualifiers for a team is 2 per season. Signing a non-qualifier works like any other recruit, but the odds of that player going JUCO or staying on the team are based on how much effort was put in, just like the old system.

Is this a typical message you get when an ineligible signs? I don't know, never really paid attention until now.

Just got the word on the signing of (name). If he doesn't pass the WCAA eligibility requirements by the end of the signing period he'll have to sit out his first year and won't even be able to practice - but I'm sure you knew that already. I'd be surprised if he doesn't play JUCO ball next season.

i thought in d2/d3, they always showed up but not in d1, or something like that - but its been way too long for me to be sure of that. it used to be impossible to sign more than 1, and it looks like that changed, so maybe a bunch of things are different - plus my memory may be faulty here, but when some folks are saying they always show and others are saying the opposite, it makes me wonder if the d2/d3 vs d1 thing is why?

one thing i will say, the folks who say prestige matters are definitely right. first off, effort matters, and prestige is an effort multiplier, so at least there is that. second off, the players' perception of the opportunity in front of him - which is basically used to determine which players are eligible to be recruited (for non d1 school) and used to affect when players dropped down, and all that good stuff - was also a factor in whether the guy showed up or not. as an a+ d1 school, i'd often use the $110 special (start + scholarship, i know this no longer exists) to sign ineligibles, because they all were thrilled to come play for me. with say b- prestige in d1, if it was a killer ineligible, i'd throw more money in because they'd look down on me. i don't think dropdowns exist anymore, do they? so maybe the whole concept of 'how does the player look upon your school' went out the window with it - does anyone know for sure? if 70 miles is still a boon, im guessing its got to still be a factor.