Defensive strategy Topic

I've got a National Tournament game against a team that has made 1 three pointed this season and their two best scorers are a Center and SF . Best way to defend this we run man to man and are solid defensively
10/4/2019 8:13 AM
Unless you have a clear ATH advantage, i would probably play a -1 in man. It'll keep you out of foul trouble, hopefully.
10/4/2019 8:44 AM
his opponent has made 1 3 out of 18 all season and has no viable 3 point scoring option.

-3 if you are at significant risk of foul trouble, -5 if not.

in this case, thats a no - the OP runs man and has sufficient depth. -5 all day.
10/4/2019 12:36 PM
Wow, couple thoughts:

1. I pretty much NEVER go below -1 in press and -3 in man. I am to scared of foul trouble.
2. How do you ascertain if you are at risk for foul trouble, I usually just compare the ATH of the main scorers and the those player defenders. Is there a component I am missing?
10/4/2019 1:35 PM
-3 with option to go to -5 if losing at halftime
10/4/2019 1:35 PM
Thanks all. I was just thrown by having to play a team that made one 3 pointer all year. I'll let you know how it goes
10/4/2019 3:25 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/4/2019 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Wow, couple thoughts:

1. I pretty much NEVER go below -1 in press and -3 in man. I am to scared of foul trouble.
2. How do you ascertain if you are at risk for foul trouble, I usually just compare the ATH of the main scorers and the those player defenders. Is there a component I am missing?
1 - i am pretty foul adverse in press - but im also the most extreme case, because volatility gets more important the bigger your lead over the field is. for an average top 5 team its not even that bad, you kinda need to be in ridiculous territory. with a 12 deep press team who is favored over the field, i'll run a -3 against a team like this. maybe a -2 if im way better and assess a foul/fatigue death spiral as my only reasonable way of losing. if im like a 10 deep press team, im definitely way more adverse, then ill go -2 against a 03pta team but normally am bottoming out at -1.

2 - its primarily dependent on your team, not the opponent. the ath comparison isn't irrelevant but it almost is. its 98% about you. how is your team in terms of depth, both fatigue and depth chart wise? iq and ath are a factor - your iq and ath - for sure - but that is part of what you factor in. if you get in foul trouble, how screwed are you? if the answer is you are roughly average in terms of sensitivity to foul trouble, then you are fine to go run a -. its when you are particularly sensitive to it, say running an 8 deep man, or a 10 deep press, or a 12 deep press as a big favorite - then you really cut back. in terms of the opponent, i dont even look at their ath - even though it does matter some. rather, i just look at their approach. if they are a normal team, im not worried. if its mfnmeyers drawing insane fouls and they are a foul-oriented team, which you do encounter some in the wild even outside mfnmeyers's extreme version of it, then i usually back off about 1 from where i would be on the negative scale. 2 if im sensitive to fouling, maybe even 3 if im super sensitive to it.
10/4/2019 3:50 PM
Yes! My favorite argument with Topdogg.

Go -5 and don't think twice about it. You won't foul with M2M at -5 that much more than -3 or 0. Do it and don't look back.
10/4/2019 5:12 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/4/2019 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Wow, couple thoughts:

1. I pretty much NEVER go below -1 in press and -3 in man. I am to scared of foul trouble.
2. How do you ascertain if you are at risk for foul trouble, I usually just compare the ATH of the main scorers and the those player defenders. Is there a component I am missing?
I think people WAY overestimate how much more fouling occurs at -1 than at -5, even with press. I go -5 with press ALL THE TIME if the other team doesn't shoot 3s. It very rarely burns me.
10/4/2019 5:14 PM
-4 leading to a game with my 3rd least fouls all season.
10/4/2019 5:26 PM
Posted by Benis on 10/4/2019 5:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/4/2019 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Wow, couple thoughts:

1. I pretty much NEVER go below -1 in press and -3 in man. I am to scared of foul trouble.
2. How do you ascertain if you are at risk for foul trouble, I usually just compare the ATH of the main scorers and the those player defenders. Is there a component I am missing?
I think people WAY overestimate how much more fouling occurs at -1 than at -5, even with press. I go -5 with press ALL THE TIME if the other team doesn't shoot 3s. It very rarely burns me.
i agree with benis. re-reading my post, i want to emphasize - the large majority of cases, teams are not foul sensitive enough to avoid the - that is naturally called for by the shooting of the other team.

it might be something like 80-90% of teams run by folks who read these forums i'd categorize as non-sensitive to foul trouble (everyone is some, its really about if you are significantly more sensitive to fouls than is typical). maybe 10% of teams are slightly sensitive (back off -1 from what you would against extreme teams like this), 4% are moderately sensitive (-2), and 1% are really sensitive (-3). i just made that up so not exact, but ballpark that's where i'd peg it. so normally, not a concern.
10/4/2019 5:47 PM (edited)
Posted by Benis on 10/4/2019 5:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/4/2019 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Wow, couple thoughts:

1. I pretty much NEVER go below -1 in press and -3 in man. I am to scared of foul trouble.
2. How do you ascertain if you are at risk for foul trouble, I usually just compare the ATH of the main scorers and the those player defenders. Is there a component I am missing?
I think people WAY overestimate how much more fouling occurs at -1 than at -5, even with press. I go -5 with press ALL THE TIME if the other team doesn't shoot 3s. It very rarely burns me.
I agree with this.
10/4/2019 7:11 PM
Well we got the victory 72-71. I ended up going mtm -5 with mixed results. It did a good job keeping their bigs in check but we did commit a lot of fouls,they shot 34 free throws but most importantly we got the W. Thanks again all for the help now I gotta figure out how to take down a #1 seed.
10/5/2019 7:14 AM
I'm late to this discussion, but as benis said, we argue this constantly..... but even I would've went -5 in this case.

-4 is usually my low point.
10/5/2019 9:56 PM
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