That's impressive!

updated to reflect the Crum rollover

Just as an aside, I don't know what else you had available offensively last season, but Spiva took a ton of shots for a guy averaging <1 points/possession...

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/14/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Just as an aside, I don't know what else you had available offensively last season, but Spiva took a ton of shots for a guy averaging <1 points/possession...

Last season was unfortunately not a great set up.

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/14/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Just as an aside, I don't know what else you had available offensively last season, but Spiva took a ton of shots for a guy averaging <1 points/possession...

I thought Spiva's stats looked surprisingly good. He's shooting 52% last season. What's wrong with that?

But towards a different topic direction, I'm not a super fan of Spiva as far as being a super elite player. It's great to have 800+ overall players at D2. And in "most" cases, that likely means the player will be a great asset. But I've had guys similar to Spiva. He doesn't have 80+ LP/PER and if you wanna chuck up a ton of shots per game with a superstar, they need to have 90+ LP/PER along with those other ratings to really be a stud scorer. Having said that, I don't look at Spiva as being the guy you look for to lead your team in scoring. He's an excellent complimentary player. Maybe a 3rd scorer (if you have the personnel) that will play good defense and not turn it over much. He'll grab 3.5 to 4 rpg and get some assists here and there. I'd be glad to have him on my team, and use him in that manner.

Posted by topdogggbm on 1/14/2020 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/14/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Just as an aside, I don't know what else you had available offensively last season, but Spiva took a ton of shots for a guy averaging <1 points/possession...

I thought Spiva's stats looked surprisingly good. He's shooting 52% last season. What's wrong with that?

But towards a different topic direction, I'm not a super fan of Spiva as far as being a super elite player. It's great to have 800+ overall players at D2. And in "most" cases, that likely means the player will be a great asset. But I've had guys similar to Spiva. He doesn't have 80+ LP/PER and if you wanna chuck up a ton of shots per game with a superstar, they need to have 90+ LP/PER along with those other ratings to really be a stud scorer. Having said that, I don't look at Spiva as being the guy you look for to lead your team in scoring. He's an excellent complimentary player. Maybe a 3rd scorer (if you have the personnel) that will play good defense and not turn it over much. He'll grab 3.5 to 4 rpg and get some assists here and there. I'd be glad to have him on my team, and use him in that manner.

Again... less than 1 point per possession. It was about .985 IIRC (I calculated it when I posted originally). I don't want anybody without >1.12 ppp or so taking that volume of shots in general, but that's always going to be dependent on how good your offense is overall. If everybody on the team was hovering around 1 ppp then it is what it is, you have to utilize the guys you have the best you can.

In this case, his overall shooting percentage was solid, his 3% was surprisingly solid, but he's a below-average free throw shooter and he turned the ball over a lot. That's what led to his poor overall efficiency. I don't know what led you to suggest that he wouldn't turn it over much. 29 ball handling for a D2 SF is pretty darn ugly. If he's shooting, he's going to rack up turnovers, and that's what happened here. Just looking at one or two shooting percentages to judge offensive efficiency is too simplistic, Spiva had a pretty uninspiring offensive season. Which, as you pointed out, isn't really surprising given his ratings.

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/14/2020 7:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 1/14/2020 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/14/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Just as an aside, I don't know what else you had available offensively last season, but Spiva took a ton of shots for a guy averaging <1 points/possession...

I thought Spiva's stats looked surprisingly good. He's shooting 52% last season. What's wrong with that?

But towards a different topic direction, I'm not a super fan of Spiva as far as being a super elite player. It's great to have 800+ overall players at D2. And in "most" cases, that likely means the player will be a great asset. But I've had guys similar to Spiva. He doesn't have 80+ LP/PER and if you wanna chuck up a ton of shots per game with a superstar, they need to have 90+ LP/PER along with those other ratings to really be a stud scorer. Having said that, I don't look at Spiva as being the guy you look for to lead your team in scoring. He's an excellent complimentary player. Maybe a 3rd scorer (if you have the personnel) that will play good defense and not turn it over much. He'll grab 3.5 to 4 rpg and get some assists here and there. I'd be glad to have him on my team, and use him in that manner.

Again... less than 1 point per possession. It was about .985 IIRC (I calculated it when I posted originally). I don't want anybody without >1.12 ppp or so taking that volume of shots in general, but that's always going to be dependent on how good your offense is overall. If everybody on the team was hovering around 1 ppp then it is what it is, you have to utilize the guys you have the best you can.

In this case, his overall shooting percentage was solid, his 3% was surprisingly solid, but he's a below-average free throw shooter and he turned the ball over a lot. That's what led to his poor overall efficiency. I don't know what led you to suggest that he wouldn't turn it over much. 29 ball handling for a D2 SF is pretty darn ugly. If he's shooting, he's going to rack up turnovers, and that's what happened here. Just looking at one or two shooting percentages to judge offensive efficiency is too simplistic, Spiva had a pretty uninspiring offensive season. Which, as you pointed out, isn't really surprising given his ratings.

Eh, I guess you're right on the TOs. I didn't break down near as much info as you did. I normally don't. But 29 BH for a SF isn't good enough, that I definitely agree with. But I'd still sign a Spiva on my teams.

To be honest I'm surprised at my success in this game, judging by the amount of data and formulas that a lot of coaches use in this game. I've said in the past.... I just play basketball. Haha

The .985 and the 1.12 you mentioned earlier..... I have absolutely no clue where those numbers came from or how you got to them, or why you decided to aim for those specific target numbers in particular. I am a lot less calculated (or you could say "dumber". And yes, I know dumber isn't a word so that's why i decided to use it Haha)

Threw in a little update

That's high high right?

Some of his ratings changed color last night. Seems like it may be closer than I was anticipating.

Just a couple thoughts:

1. Spiva is a good player. I am sure I would take him on every D2 team I ever had. I don't think he is great but he is very good. In a true motion set up, where his distro was similar to the other starters, his #'s would be better.

2. Guys that are really good but have a weakness are kinda exploitable. My gut tells me this guy is average against the press. I would also doubleteam the **** out of him with that distro.

3. He probably shouldn't take any 3's. He's be a -2 in my opinion. I think he's set at -1 but I don't think he's worth it.

4. That's a super soft schedule which is probably inflating those FG% numbers.

5. He's a pretty great defensive player. It's a shame he's pretty much limited to the SF position.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/24/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Just a couple thoughts:

1. Spiva is a good player. I am sure I would take him on every D2 team I ever had. I don't think he is great but he is very good. In a true motion set up, where his distro was similar to the other starters, his #'s would be better.

2. Guys that are really good but have a weakness are kinda exploitable. My gut tells me this guy is average against the press. I would also doubleteam the **** out of him with that distro.

3. He probably shouldn't take any 3's. He's be a -2 in my opinion. I think he's set at -1 but I don't think he's worth it.

4. That's a super soft schedule which is probably inflating those FG% numbers.

5. He's a pretty great defensive player. It's a shame he's pretty much limited to the SF position.

I agree with number 3. I made the switch 6 games ago when I realized he was at -1, he hasn’t attempted one since.

His distro is higher than the rest, but it’s actually comparable to Sjoberg. I think it’s just the minutes difference at this point. I’ve been adjusting that as I go to get the right balance.

He only needs 11 points...

Two just-turned-yellows or four just-turned-reds can get him there...

Posted by beachhouse on 1/27/2020 12:03:00 PM (view original):
I think getting to 400 will be tight. Certain things aren’t lining up currently. There was a 75 Blue that turned red at 94. It’s all little things like that, that make me think there isn’t a way for any player to get above 399 in this game.

Stamina was 59 green and it’s now at 85 yellow. It should have more growth, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it turned red.

Athleticism was also 66 blue and turned red at 85

Rebounding was 24 and green and now it’s 46 and yellow.

Passing was 39 and green and now it’s 61 and yellow.

All those numbers you suggested makes sense.

If a 75 blue turns, it's cap is 95 and red is 0-3, so red 94 makes sense.

A yellow 85 means that the cap is 88-92 so it starting at 59 green makes sense.

If athleticism turned at 66 blue, it would have a cap of 86, so it being 85 red makes sense because red is 0-3.

A 46 yellow means a cap of 49-53 which makes sense with 24 green as the cap will be 51-53, the higher end of the yellow range.

61 yellow makes sense for 39 green as the cap will be 64-68, so it will be 66-68.

These all check out. He'll get about 400.