ATHLETICISM	87	2
SPEED	74	4
REBOUNDING	2
DEFENSE	74	1
SHOT BLOCKING	2
LOW-POST	28	5
PERIMETER	52	4
BALL HANDLING	50
PASSING	42	4
WORK ETHIC	54	3
STAMINA	80	8
DURABILITY	53	3

This is at D2 level. I don't really know the effect on offense a really good athletic player has. Would you give him a lot of the offense? and would you go -1, -2

What's your offense and how well does his IQ match it? Is this a frosh, a senior?

In a vacuum, he’s a -1 player for me.

Easily a -2 for me with 52 PER.

Posted by kcsundevil on 1/28/2020 3:17:00 PM (view original):
What's your offense and how well does his IQ match it? Is this a frosh, a senior?

He's a RS Soph with an A IQ. This is my first full recruiting season with this team and at first I was thinking about cutting him, because I like guards with high PER, but I've never really been one to recruit guys in D2/D3 with high Ath unless they have a high PER/LP so I have never used someone like this before. And I have no idea how to utilize him.

And I run a motion offense

I wouldn't cut him. He's not really an ideal fit in any of my standard player types either, but at the end of the day he's a good enough D2 player that you can use as a defensive specialist, and he's better than what you'd likely be able to find to replace him in the 2nd recruiting cycle.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 1/28/2020 6:10:00 PM (view original):
Easily a -2 for me with 52 PER.

52 perimeter with a 75 speed and 85 ath can be an okay 3 point shooter. I worry more about the BH. I mean I don’t think he’s a 40% guy but I would expect him to hit 35% at a low distro and -1.

i do think the 80 ath and 28 LP will give you a reasonably good 2fg%. I would have no problem with this guys getting 15ish% distro in a motion offense.

Definitely a -2. He shouldn't shoot 3s at all. If you're running motion and zone, I'd defer most of my distro to other players. But, if you're running motion with press, I'd give him distro. He's got solid ST, and he'll get buckets off his ATH/SPD alone.

My reasoning for factoring in the defense is because of possessions. In a high possession game, it's nice to have more options. I use players like him all the time to get 10ppg efficiently

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/28/2020 7:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 1/28/2020 6:10:00 PM (view original):
Easily a -2 for me with 52 PER.

52 perimeter with a 75 speed and 85 ath can be an okay 3 point shooter. I worry more about the BH. I mean I don’t think he’s a 40% guy but I would expect him to hit 35% at a low distro and -1.

i do think the 80 ath and 28 LP will give you a reasonably good 2fg%. I would have no problem with this guys getting 15ish% distro in a motion offense.

I must undershoot 3s a ton by this standard. I rarely move anyone up from -2 until their PER is 75+. Then I consider moving to -1. 52 is not even a consideration in my opinion. I feel that's really low.

But i do feel like he can get buckets

I can’t cut and paste on my phone but sort players in a decent conference by ath and then look at the dudes with 50-65 perimeter. You will find a few (usually sims) that shoot 35-38% that surprise you. There are two in Tark cacc.

Sims I agree with. But sims shoot 3s with all 12 players. And I don't really compare that to challenging games.

Another few things of note, i admittedly undershoot 3pt shots in general. But I only want a high percentage. 35% for me is not a percentage I want. Personally I want all my guys at or above 40%. Now, I know the argument of 33% from 3 is equal to 50% from 2. But i just notice tendencies in my game play that when someone shoots 35%, I'm not happy with the results.

But I'm also just sharing personal perspective. I'm not really preaching to others that 35% is not a good target. It actually is. I'm not a job hopper, but if you look at my teams, of the top 20 school records, there's two stats that are almost entirely made up of players in my tenure.... 1 is the 3pt% leaders. And the other is steals (I run a lot of press).

Last thing and I'll shut up. My fear with the 35% mark..... if you shoot a lot of 3s and that's your target mark, I feel like when you have a bad game it cripples you. It's tough to win a NT game shooting 5-20 from deep. And when you have a good game by those standards (say 40%-45% or more), then it's devastating for the opponent. Well I just like to stay comfy in that percentage range, even if it's not as many attempts.

You don’t see a ton of - defenses with that strategy?

I look through my D2/D3 teams but couldn't find a good example of what I am talking about but i did fnid this guy on my D1 team.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/RatingsHistory.aspx?tid=3320&pid=4328442

In his career he has hovered between a 68-70 PER, not great at any level but certainly low at D1. He's got a speed in the upper 90's and a BH in the upper 80's. He has a low distro and is set at -1. He's only taken 40 3FGA in 60 games but hit more than 40% of them. That # is probably higher than it should because he comes off the bench.

There are a thousand ways to win at this game but i feel like many coaches don't take full advantage of 3 point shooting.

That's just my 2 cents.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/28/2020 9:15:00 PM (view original):
You don’t see a ton of - defenses with that strategy?

I mean, maybe more than others see. But I usually have multiple guys +80 on my teams so it's not an issue. Additionally, when I get heavy - from opponents, I end up on the FT line a lot. It all works well for me