I am sorry for asking this because I KNOW I have read some things on it before. I did a search and could not find what I wanted to know.

When setting up for the DITR before the All Star game, I know I need to deactivate players that have no shot at the ML level. But are there certain ages the system will not even consider? Or is it a certain number of Pro Years? Just a better explanation of players to activate/deactivate.

And how can you determine a type of player with better chances of being a DITR.

Thanks for taking the time

I simply deactivate the oldest players at every level. IMO a 24 year old DiTR already in AA with four years service is a waste. And yes I know some owners think they keep growing later on. I know who they are because they take those guys in Rule 5.

I wonder, what happens if you deactivate all of the guys that you don't want to get DiTR status during the all star break and leave half a dozen or a dozen that fit all the criteria that tlowster mentioned? Would you still get 2-4 or would you not get any?

IMO all you can do is throw them out there and see if they catch the magic pixie fairy dust.

Posted by tlowster on 3/12/2020 2:40:00 PM (view original):
Ages 18 - 24 are eligible for DITR and typically the player needs to have a current overall rating of below 60.

Things to target:
1. Young players in their 1-3 years pro. With only a few exceptions, if a player is in year 5, it won't matter if he gets DITR unless you get lucky and have one of those AAAA players get it;
2. Players with high makeup. The makeup is usually what determines the initial bump. I have seen guys with 92+ makeup get HUGE bumps at DITR;
3. Low durability position players (typically DH/C), low stamina pitchers, infielders with a great arm, outfielders with a high range and glove.

If you can find a guy or two that fit all of these criteria, then you have a near perfect DITR candidate.

I was under the impression that there TRUE projected overall had to be under 60.

Posted by hockey1984 on 3/12/2020 3:08:00 PM (view original):
I wonder, what happens if you deactivate all of the guys that you don't want to get DiTR status during the all star break and leave half a dozen or a dozen that fit all the criteria that tlowster mentioned? Would you still get 2-4 or would you not get any?

Someone correct me if I am wrong or doing something incorrect.
When I previously tried to do this, it was impossible because there is a minimum active roster requirement.

Therefore I had to filter through all the players some more and reluctantly leave some active that I did not want to leave open to DITR

Posted by dschang on 3/12/2020 9:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hockey1984 on 3/12/2020 3:08:00 PM (view original):
I wonder, what happens if you deactivate all of the guys that you don't want to get DiTR status during the all star break and leave half a dozen or a dozen that fit all the criteria that tlowster mentioned? Would you still get 2-4 or would you not get any?

Someone correct me if I am wrong or doing something incorrect.
When I previously tried to do this, it was impossible because there is a minimum active roster requirement.

Therefore I had to filter through all the players some more and reluctantly leave some active that I did not want to leave open to DITR

Yes, you have to have a minimum number on your active roster.

Correct, you have to have at least 20 active.

Posted by dschang on 3/12/2020 9:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hockey1984 on 3/12/2020 3:08:00 PM (view original):
I wonder, what happens if you deactivate all of the guys that you don't want to get DiTR status during the all star break and leave half a dozen or a dozen that fit all the criteria that tlowster mentioned? Would you still get 2-4 or would you not get any?

Someone correct me if I am wrong or doing something incorrect.
When I previously tried to do this, it was impossible because there is a minimum active roster requirement.

Therefore I had to filter through all the players some more and reluctantly leave some active that I did not want to leave open to DITR

Yes, it is a lot of work. If you have a bunch of low round draft fodder and some tryout camp guys to fill the back half of the minor league roster, it may be a bit more difficult. As mentioned above, each minor league level needs to have a minimum of 20 guys active.

Yes, but if you leave active all the 25+ year old and players with a projected overall above 60, then you have thus reduced the players to be selected as well. I don't find it that much work, it takes about 10 minutes to set up for the DITR selections and maybe 3 minutes to reactive everyone. It's just remembering to do so.

The information you gave is a great help, Thank you.

I got 3 players in this DITR selection, 2 are actually prospects now with one being very hopeful to be a quality ML player.
https://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=10007050
https://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=10144872

And this is a bit crazy, I noticed one of the other DITR this season actually LOST ratings in vsR but got them increased in vsL, I had not seen this before.
https://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=9620323

And to spend 15-20 minutes to potentially get even one extra true ML prospect, it's time well worth spent! If you can hit on that 5 times in 9-10 seasons, that is a lot of extra commodity to accumulate over the next guy.

DITRs can be super helpful if you sell out for them, but also aren't going to hurt you if you ignore them imo. Once I get to AAAA or worse on my draft board I start putting DITR candidates up there. I then deactivate any all poor candidates prior to the futures game.

In addition to Catchers/Relievers, I think First baseman & Starting Pitchers can also be great DITR candidates. First Basemen because they don't need AS, but get huge Range/Glove & Hitting increases. Starting Pitchers because they oftentimes have 4 or 5 pitches, which all get huge bumps. Also remember that switch hitters are great because that doesn't affect the overall requirement. Relievers also become super useful because they get huge STA bumps and can eat a ton of innings.

While the strategy above has probably led me to getting only 1 each season for awhile, It has led to really good players each season, guys who would be at least considered 1st round comp picks if not 1st rounders:

All the Way Mae
S11: Player Profile: J.P. Nicasio - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Solid switching hitting 1b with great glove and solid hitting ratings
S12: Player Profile: Marv Demel - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - 71/50 DUR/STA combo is absurd, with 70+ in all pitching ratings.
S12: Player Profile: Vicente Uribe - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - 73/49 DUR/STA with similar ratings as Demel.
S12: Player Profile: Yasmani Martin - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - 49/49 DUR/STA w/elite pitches
S13: Left a 5 year pro activated and he never made it to the bigs
S14: Player Profile: James Kuo - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports Great Catcher Platoon VRHP. DITR helped his defensive ratings get even more absurd.
S15: Player Profile: Johnny Latimore - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Looks to be a solid SP prospect (projected to be 79 ovr after DITR).
S16: Player Profile: Jim Stokes - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Already a really solid ML RP with the potential to have 80+ CON/VL/VR/1P/2P
S17: Player Profile: Luis Ozuna - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Already a borderline ML 1b, hopefully VR gets to 70 with 85+ POW/Eye.

All very useful pieces, but no superstars obviously. Kuo/Stokes were one of the few guys I left activated w/3+ years of experience because they were AAAA guys already. Overall, I've found this strategy a very good tool since it really requires no resources besides maybe a decent scouting budget. I also love to load up on comp picks, so the DITR relievers are great because they have such a low ovr threshold to get a Comp A pick.

@pray4pro or anyone else that can answer this...

You said
“DITRs can be super helpful if you sell out for them, but also aren't going to hurt you if you ignore them imo. Once I get to AAAA or worse on my draft board I start putting DITR candidates up there.”

How do you identify potential DITR prospects prior to the draft? This part I’m not understanding. A few people make it seem that they are obvious.

Thanks

1. High $ scouting in either HS budget or college budget so you see projected ratings that are as accurate as possible.
2. Set your draft board like normal then add ditr candidate players to your board so you get some good candidates in your system.
3. See above post regarding what defines a good ditr candidate (i.e. low stamina relief pitcher; starting pitcher that has four pitches; low durability C,DH or 1b; big arm infielder; outfield with 70+ range and glove; high makeup rating).

This can also be done with intl signing if you have a high intl scouting budget. It can also be done by trading for players that are good candidates (either with or without advanced scouting).

Posted by tlowster on 3/13/2020 3:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pray4pro on 3/13/2020 2:18:00 PM (view original):
DITRs can be super helpful if you sell out for them, but also aren't going to hurt you if you ignore them imo. Once I get to AAAA or worse on my draft board I start putting DITR candidates up there. I then deactivate any all poor candidates prior to the futures game.

In addition to Catchers/Relievers, I think First baseman & Starting Pitchers can also be great DITR candidates. First Basemen because they don't need AS, but get huge Range/Glove & Hitting increases. Starting Pitchers because they oftentimes have 4 or 5 pitches, which all get huge bumps. Also remember that switch hitters are great because that doesn't affect the overall requirement. Relievers also become super useful because they get huge STA bumps and can eat a ton of innings.

While the strategy above has probably led me to getting only 1 each season for awhile, It has led to really good players each season, guys who would be at least considered 1st round comp picks if not 1st rounders:

All the Way Mae
S11: Player Profile: J.P. Nicasio - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Solid switching hitting 1b with great glove and solid hitting ratings
S12: Player Profile: Marv Demel - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - 71/50 DUR/STA combo is absurd, with 70+ in all pitching ratings.
S12: Player Profile: Vicente Uribe - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - 73/49 DUR/STA with similar ratings as Demel.
S12: Player Profile: Yasmani Martin - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - 49/49 DUR/STA w/elite pitches
S13: Left a 5 year pro activated and he never made it to the bigs
S14: Player Profile: James Kuo - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports Great Catcher Platoon VRHP. DITR helped his defensive ratings get even more absurd.
S15: Player Profile: Johnny Latimore - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Looks to be a solid SP prospect (projected to be 79 ovr after DITR).
S16: Player Profile: Jim Stokes - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Already a really solid ML RP with the potential to have 80+ CON/VL/VR/1P/2P
S17: Player Profile: Luis Ozuna - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Already a borderline ML 1b, hopefully VR gets to 70 with 85+ POW/Eye.

All very useful pieces, but no superstars obviously. Kuo/Stokes were one of the few guys I left activated w/3+ years of experience because they were AAAA guys already. Overall, I've found this strategy a very good tool since it really requires no resources besides maybe a decent scouting budget. I also love to load up on comp picks, so the DITR relievers are great because they have such a low ovr threshold to get a Comp A pick.

Pray4pro, one quick question before I get into my thoughts about the above -- when the above guys got hit with DITR, approximately when did it hit? 1st year pro, 2nd year, 3rd year or later?

I figured that a college recruiting strategy would be better because you have more guys that are aged 20/21/22 that are still in their first year pro. Based on the above list, I think that is accurate. I have had a few 18 year olds get it, but it is rare. Same with 19 year olds. If you look at the DITR list when it comes out and sort by age, it has mostly players from ages 20-23. I just checked three Worlds to make sure and the break can be seen below. As you can see, there is a lack of DITR players under the age of 20.

Also, another HUGE thing to consider is that college guys are older and typically start their pro career with closer to peak makeup. So, a player that has a makeup rating that is higher, but no pro development is better off getting DITR than the HS player that was drafted at 18 and gets hit with DITR at the age of 20 0r 21 and is already in his third or fourth year of pro development and has a makeup rating that is still developing.

18	3
19	5
20	12
21	6
22	14
23	13
24	9

18	3
19	9
20	11
21	12
22	9
23	8
24	6

18	2
19	4
20	7
21	9
22	9
23	10
24	14

Nicassio, Demel & Lattimore - 1st year - All their draft projections changed post DITR.
Martin - 2nd
Uribe - 3rd
Kuo, Stokes & Ozuna - 4th year - All these guys were AAAA guys pre DITR so I left them activated.

And I also rarely see 18 year old DITRs for whatever reason. But i never realized 19 year olds were also more rare as well, that's interesting. I always considered the DITR bump to have a multiplier effect, so the more development left for a player the better. So while 18 year olds in theory have the highest potential, It seems like they're also much more rare.