Rule V Leg #67 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the White Sox recently got to game seven of the world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1970-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1970-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1970 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in ten drafts)
4/14/2020 1:05 PM
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Franchise Draft Order (drafted teams listed in RED)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 13 847 1259 0.4022
2 D'backs 26 1918 2294 0.4554
3 Tigers 38 2911 3247 0.4727
4 Pirates 34 2615 2893 0.4748
5 White Sox 19 1466 1612 0.4763
6 Twins 38 2982 3176 0.4842
7 Rockies 20 1570 1671 0.4844
8 Rangers 27 2130 2245 0.4869
9 Angels 28 2217 2320 0.4886
10 Brewers 34 2724 2788 0.4942
11 Marlins 28 2244 2294 0.4945
12 Blue Jays 44 3541 3589 0.4966
13 Orioles 38 3063 3094 0.4975
14 Expos 48 3885 3894 0.4994
15 Padres 34 2752 2757 0.4995
16 Indians 46 3733 3720 0.5009
17 Mariners 44 3572 3559 0.5009
18 Red Sox 48 3904 3873 0.5020
19 Phillies 43 3526 3443 0.5060
20 Cubs 38 3115 3041 0.5060
21 Mets 43 3543 3424 0.5085
22 Reds 40 3299 3182 0.5090
23 Royals 43 3555 3414 0.5101
24 Giants 44 3643 3488 0.5109
25 Braves 47 3900 3714 0.5122
26 Cardinals 48 4033 3744 0.5186
27 Yankees 44 3711 3417 0.5206
28 Dodgers 47 4005 3611 0.5259
29 A's 48 4128 3650 0.5307
30 Astros 48 4143 3634 0.5327
4/16/2020 5:26 AM (edited)
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Franchise Draft (timed schedule begins Wednesday 4/15)
  1. spoonfed 49-113 .302 Los Angeles Dodgers*
  2. mussopini23 68-94 .420 Texas Rangers
  3. nordawg 71-91 .438 Pittsburgh Pirates*
  4. zephyr1949 71-91 .438* St. Louis Cardinals*
  5. atheistdeals 73-89 .451 Boston Red Sox*
  6. bigsteve12 73-89 .451* New York Mets*
  7. nyyfannova05 78-84 .481* San Francisco Giants*
  8. specsman 79-83 .488 Cincinnati Reds*
  9. sinfonian11 80-82 .494 Houston Astros*
  10. Chisock 80-82 .494 Cleveland Indians*
  11. tridentric 81-81 .500 Tampa Bay Rays*
  12. pumpkinmcp 81-81 .500 Arizona Diamondbacks*
  13. bob_shabazz 81-81 .500 Atlanta Braves*
  14. buddhagamer 84-78 .519 Washington Nationals/Montreal Expos*
  15. sakensei 87-75 .537 Oakland Athletics*
  16. trenchfoot 88-74 .543 New York Yankees*
  17. captmurphy 82-80 .506^ Kansas City Royals*
  18. alice 83-79 .512^ Minnesota Twins*
  19. newarkwilder .519^ Milwaukee Brewers*
  20. ff09 90-72 .556^ San Diego Padres*
  21. justinlee_24 93-69 .574^ Chicago Cubs*
  22. rbow923 97-65 .599^ Seattle Mariners*
  23. schwarze 93-69 .574& Toronto Blue Jays*
  24. alleyviper 98-64 .605$ Chicago White Sox*
* Third round keeper sent

* new owner
^ playoff team
& WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Owner list for easy sitemailing: spoonfed; mussopini23; nordawg; zephyr1949; atheistdeals; bigsteve12; nyyfannova05; specsman; sinfonian11; Chisock; tridentric; pumpkinmcp; bob_shabazz; buddhagamer; sakensei; trenchfoot; captmurphy; alice; newarkwilder; ff09; justinlee_24; rbow923; schwarze; alleyviper

Division Alignment:

NL East: Braves, Mets, Nats/Expos, Pirates
NL Central: Brewers, Cardinals, Cubs, Reds
NL West: Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Giants, Padres
AL East: Blue Jays, Rays, Red Sox, Yankees
AL Central: Indians, Royals, Twins, White Sox
AL West: Astros, Athletics, Mariners, Rangers
4/22/2020 11:39 AM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule begins Saturday 4/18)
  1. tridentric - Tampa Bay Rays Justin Verlander - HOU
  2. pumpkinmcp - Arizona Diamondbacks Zack Greinke - LAD
  3. nordawg - Pittsburgh Pirates Carlos Delgado - TOR
  4. alleyviper - Chicago White Sox Joe Morgan - CIN
  5. alice - Minnesota Twins Mike Norris - OAK
  6. mussopini23 - Texas Rangers Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
  7. newarkwilder - Milwaukee Brewers Tim Hudson - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  8. schwarze - Toronto Blue Jays Derek Lowe - BOS
  9. buddhagamer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Mark McGwire - STL
  10. ff09 - San Diego Padres Kenny Lofton - CLE
  11. Chisock - Cleveland Indians Kevin Brown - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  12. rbow923 - Seattle Mariners Carlton Fisk - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  13. atheistdeals - Boston Red Sox Nolan Ryan - HOU (Astros off the board)
  14. justinlee_24 - Chicago Cubs Matt Harvey - NYM
  15. bigsteve12 - New York Mets Willie Wilson - KCR
  16. specsman - Cincinnati Reds Chris Carpenter - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  17. captmurphy - Kansas City Royals Barry Larkin - CIN (Reds off the board)
  18. nyyfannova05 - San Francisco Giants Blake Snell - TBR
  19. bob_shabazz - Atlanta Braves Derrek Lee - CHC
  20. zephyr1949 - St. Louis Cardinals Rick Reuschel - PIT
  21. trenchfoot - New York Yankees Willie Stargell - PIT (Pirates off the board)
  22. spoonfed - Los Angeles Dodgers Rich Gossage - NYY
  23. sakensei - Oakland Athletics Robinson Cano - SEA (Mariners off the board)
  24. sinfonian11 - Houston Astros Mike Napoli - TEX
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule begins Tuesday 4/21)
  1. tridentric - Tampa Bay Rays JR Richard - HOU
  2. pumpkinmcp - Arizona Diamondbacks Jose Reyes - NYM
  3. nordawg - Pittsburgh Pirates Don Wilson - HOU (Astros off the board)
  4. alleyviper - Chicago White Sox Chris Sale - BOS
  5. alice - Minnesota Twins Steve McCatty - OAK
  6. mussopini23 - Texas Rangers Joe Torre - STL
  7. newarkwilder - Milwaukee Brewers Paul O'Neill - NYY
  8. schwarze - Toronto Blue Jays Buster Posey - SFG
  9. buddhagamer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Carl Yastrzemski - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  10. ff09 - San Diego Padres Rich Aurillia - SFG (Giants off the board)
  11. Chisock - Cleveland Indians Bernie Williams - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  12. rbow923 - Seattle Mariners Fernando Valenzuela - LAD
  13. atheistdeals - Boston Red Sox Rich Harden - CHC
  14. justinlee_24 - Chicago Cubs Rafael Furcal - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  15. bigsteve12 - New York Mets Miguel Tejada - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  16. specsman - Cincinnati Reds Brian Giles - PIT
  17. captmurphy - Kansas City Royals Jim Hickman - CHC (Cubs off the board)
  18. nyyfannova05 - San Francisco Giants Francisco Lindor - CLE
  19. bob_shabazz - Atlanta Braves Francisco Liriano - MIN
  20. zephyr1949 - St. Louis Cardinals Bob Ojeda - NYM (Mets off the board)
  21. trenchfoot - New York Yankees CC Sabathia - MIL
  22. spoonfed - Los Angeles Dodgers Tony Watson - PIT (Pirates off the board)
  23. sakensei - Oakland Athletics Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH
  24. sinfonian11 - Houston Astros AFTBOAT - STL (Cardinals off the board)
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule begins Thursday 4/23)
  1. tridentric - Tampa Bay Rays Craig Kimbrel - ATL
  2. pumpkinmcp - Arizona Diamondbacks Anthony Rendon - MON/WSH
  3. nordawg - Pittsburgh Pirates Jerry Reuss - LAD
  4. alleyviper - Chicago White Sox Zack Greinke - HOU
  5. alice - Minnesota Twins Dallas Keuchel - HOU (Astros off the board)
  6. mussopini23 - Texas Rangers Andrew Miller - NYY
  7. newarkwilder - Milwaukee Brewers Rich Hill - OAK
  8. schwarze - Toronto Blue Jays Rickey Henderson - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  9. buddhagamer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Rafael Furcal - ATL (Braves off the board)
  10. ff09 - San Diego Padres Mike Piazza - NYM
  11. Chisock - Cleveland Indians Pascual Perez - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  12. rbow923 - Seattle Mariners Will Clark - SFG
  13. atheistdeals - Boston Red Sox Arthur Rhodes - SEA
  14. justinlee_24 - Chicago Cubs Ken Henderson - CHW
  15. bigsteve12 - New York Mets Jonathan Papelbon - BOS
  16. specsman - Cincinnati Reds Edgardo Alfonso - NYM (Mets off the board)
  17. captmurphy - Kansas City Royals Cody Bellinger - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  18. nyyfannova05 - San Francisco Giants JJ Putz - SEA (Mariners off the board)
  19. bob_shabazz - Atlanta Braves Bernie Carbo - CIN
  20. zephyr1949 - St. Louis Cardinals Wade Davis - KCR
  21. trenchfoot - New York Yankees Mark Eichhorn - TOR
  22. spoonfed - Los Angeles Dodgers Manny Ramirez - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  23. sakensei - Oakland Athletics Russell Martin - PIT
  24. sinfonian11 - Houston Astros Lance Berkman - STL
4/24/2020 12:12 PM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

tridentric – Tampa Bay Rays: Evan Longoria, Austin Meadows, Ben Zobrist, Carl Crawford, Charlie Morton, Justin Verlander - HOU, Emilio Pagan, JR Richard - HOU, Fernando Rodney, Craig Kimbrel - ATL

pumpkinmcp – Arizona Diamondbacks: Luis Gonzalez, Paul Goldschmidt, Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Zack Greinke, Zack Greinke - LAD, Daniel Hudson, Jose Reyes - NYM, Ketel Marte, Anthony Rendon - MON/WSH

nordawg – Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Jay Bell, Jason Kendall, Andrew McCutchen, Doug Drabek, Carlos Delgado - TOR, Rich Gossage, Don Wilson - HOU, Zane Smith, Jerry Reuss - LAD

alleyviper – Chicago White Sox: Wilbur Wood, Chris Sale, Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Dick Allen, Joe Morgan - CIN, Bobby Jenks, Chris Sale - BOS, Roberto Hernandez, Zack Greinke - HOU

alice – Minnesota Twins: Lyman Bostock, Rod Carew, Joe Mauer, Kirby Puckett, Johan Santana, Mike Norris - OAK, Chuck Knoblauch, Steve McCatty - OAK, Cesar Tovar, Dallas Keuchel - HOU

mussopini23 – Texas Rangers: Nolan Ryan, Alex Rodriguez, Ivan Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, Juan Gonzalez, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA, Michael Young, Joe Torre - STL, Rafael Palmeiro, Andrew Miller - NYY

newarkwilder – Milwaukee Brewers: Christian Yelich, Ryan Braun, Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Teddy Higuera, Tim Hudson - OAK, Rollie Fingers, Paul O'Neill - NYY, Mike Caldwell, Rich Hill - OAK

schwarze – Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Jose Bautista, Tony Fernandez, Roberto Alomar, John Olerud, Derek Lowe - BOS, Roy Halladay, Buster Posey - SFG, BJ Ryan, Rickey Henderson - NYY

buddhagamer – Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Bryce Harper, Gary Carter, Tim Raines, Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Mark McGwire - STL, Daniel Murphy, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Dennis Martinez, Rafael Furcal - ATL

ff09 – San Diego Padres: Jake Peavy, Kevin Brown, Randy Jones, Tony Gwynn, Ken Caminiti, Kenny Lofton - CLE, Mark Loretta, Rich Aurillia - SFG, Trevor Hoffman, Mike Piazza - NYM

Chisock – Cleveland Indians: Roberto Alomar, Jose Ramirez, Albert Belle, Corey Kluber, Gaylord Perry, Kevin Brown - LAD, Jim Thome, Bernie Williams - NYY, Andrew Miller, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH

rbow923 – Seattle Mariners: Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Edgar Martinez, Carlton Fisk - BOS, Bret Boone, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Randy Winn, Will Clark - SFG

atheistdeals – Boston Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Wade Boggs, Mookie Betts, Nomar Garciaparra, Nolan Ryan - HOU, Fred Lynn, Rich Harden - CHC, Clay Buchholz, Arthur Rhodes - SEA

justinlee_24 – Chicago Cubs: Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, Sammy Sosa, Ryne Sandberg, Billy Williams, Matt Harvey - NYM, Rick Wilkins, Rafael Furcal - LAD, Bruce Sutter, Ken Henderson - CHW

bigsteve12 – New York Mets: Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Jacob DeGrom, Pedro Martinez, Gary Carter, Willie Wilson - KCR, Robin Ventura, Miguel Tejada - OAK, John Olerud, Jonathan Papelbon - BOS

specsman – Cincinnati Reds: Joey Votto, Johnny Bench, George Foster, Johnny Cueto, Tom Seaver, Chris Carpenter - STL, HWMNBN, Brian Giles - PIT, Aroldis Chapman, Edgardo Alfonso - NYM

captmurphy – Kansas City Royals: Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Zack Greinke, Darrell Porter, George Brett, Barry Larkin - CIN, David Cone, Jim Hickman - CHC, Carlos Beltran, Cody Bellinger - LAD

nyyfannova05 – San Francisco Giants: Barry Bonds, Jeff Kent, Willie McCovey, Tim Lincecum, Jason Schmidt, Blake Snell - TBR, Kevin Mitchell, Francisco Lindor - CLE, Dick Dietz, JJ Putz - SEA

bob_shabazz -- Atlanta Braves: Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Derrek Lee - CHC, Javy Lopez, Francisco Liriano - MIN, Kris Medlen, Bernie Carbo - CIN

zephyr1949 – St. Louis Cardinals: Ozzie Smith, Willie McGee, Albert Pujols, Ted Simmons, John Tudor, Rick Reuschel - PIT, Adam Wainwright, Bob Ojeda - NYM, Jim Edmonds, Wade Davis - KCR

trenchfoot – New York Yankees: Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Dave Righetti, Willie Stargell - PIT, Jorge Posada, CC Sabathia - MIL, Bobby Murcer, Mark Eichhorn - TOR

spoonfed – Los Angeles Dodgers: Orel Hershiser, Clayton Kershaw, Don Sutton, Hideo Nomo, Mike Piazza, Rich Gossage - NYY, Jeff Kent, Tony Watson - PIT, Brett Butler, Manny Ramirez - BOS

sakensei – Oakland Athletics: Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Mark McGwire, Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Robinson Cano - SEA, Marcus Semien, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH, Eric Chavez, Russell Martin - PIT

sinfonian11 – Houston Astros: Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Gerrit Cole, Mike Napoli - TEX, Alex Bregman, AFTBOAT - STL, Jose Altuve, Lance Berkman - STL
4/24/2020 12:13 PM (edited)
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I *almost* flipped the A's and Astros in draft order. So close.
4/14/2020 1:42 PM
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I look forward to the league - good luck everyone
-Paul
4/14/2020 1:44 PM
spoonfed
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I will take the DODGERS
4/14/2020 2:45 PM
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Was going to go with my fav team - Braves, but I will try one team I haven't been in awhile, & actually had them at one of their highest win totals a long time ago - I will take the Texas Rangers
4/14/2020 3:00 PM
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Tough call, but I think I'll go with the Pittsburgh Pirates this time.
4/14/2020 3:05 PM
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Since this is my first time,,I will just take my favorite team St.Louis Cardinals
4/14/2020 3:18 PM
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Posted by alleyviper on 4/14/2020 1:42:00 PM (view original):
I *almost* flipped the A's and Astros in draft order. So close.
Well, you did have a nice year with the A's., but it was more of a function of spoonfed's 113 losses with the Astros (which was a record worst).
4/14/2020 3:22 PM
sinfonian11
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Off to a fast start in the draft this afternoon. Updating now.
4/14/2020 3:26 PM
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It's almost like folks are trapped in their houses with nowhere to go.
4/14/2020 3:33 PM
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Posted by captmurphy on 4/14/2020 3:33:00 PM (view original):
It's almost like folks are trapped in their houses with nowhere to go.
True. I'm probably one of the few people in the league still going to work every day.
4/14/2020 3:36 PM
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