Rule V #68 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the White Sox have recently made two world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1970-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1970-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1970 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in ten drafts)
7/14/2020 5:45 AM
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Franchise Draft Order (drafted teams listed in RED)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 14 908 1360 0.4004
2 D'backs 27 2013 2361 0.4602
3 Tigers 38 2911 3247 0.4727
4 Pirates 35 2698 2972 0.4758
5 White Sox 20 1557 1683 0.4806
6 Twins 39 3054 3266 0.4832
7 Rockies 20 1570 1671 0.4844
8 Rangers 28 2200 2337 0.4849
9 Angels 28 2217 2320 0.4886
10 Brewers 35 2788 2886 0.4914
11 Marlins 28 2244 2294 0.4945
12 Orioles 38 3063 3094 0.4975
13 Blue Jays 45 3628 3664 0.4975
14 Padres 35 2832 2839 0.4994
15 Expos 49 3976 3965 0.5007
16 Indians 47 3823 3792 0.5020
17 Mariners 45 3662 3631 0.5021
18 Red Sox 49 3993 3946 0.5030
19 Phillies 43 3526 3443 0.5060
20 Reds 41 3372 3271 0.5076
21 Cubs 39 3208 3110 0.5078
22 Mets 44 3630 3499 0.5092
23 Royals 44 3637 3494 0.5100
24 Giants 45 3726 3567 0.5109
25 Braves 48 3992 3784 0.5134
26 Cardinals 49 4114 3825 0.5182
27 Yankees 45 3786 3504 0.5193
28 Dodgers 48 4067 3711 0.5229
29 A's 49 4202 3738 0.5292
30 Astros 49 4223 3716 0.5319
7/16/2020 6:46 AM (edited)
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Franchise Draft (timed schedule begins Wednesday 7/15)
  1. spoonfed 57-105 .352 Boston Red Sox*
  2. tridentric 61-101 .377 Philadelphia Phillies*
  3. fatguyrd 64-98 .395* Houston Astros*
  4. mussopini23 70-92 .432 Arizona Diamondbacks*
  5. alice 72-90 .444 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals*
  6. specsman 73-89 .451 Atlanta Braves*
  7. sakensei 74-88 .457 New York Mets*
  8. trenchfoot 75-87 .463 Miami Marlins*
  9. ff09 80-82 .494 New York Yankees*
  10. sinfonian11 80-82 .494 Chicago Cubs*
  11. zephyr1949 81-81 .500 Seattle Mariners*
  12. captmurphy 82-80 .506 Oakland Athletics*
  13. nordawg 83-79 .512 Kansas City Royals*
  14. nyyfannova05 83-79 .512 St. Louis Cardinals*
  15. bigsteve12 87-75 .537 Colorado Rockies*
  16. Cheno5 87-75 .537* San Francisco Giants*
  17. atheistdeals 89-73 .549^ Milwaukee Brewers*
  18. Chisock 90-72 .556^ Minnesota Twins*
  19. rbow923 90-72 .556^ San Diego Padres*
  20. buddhagamer 91-71 .562^ Los Angeles Dodgers*
  21. justinlee_24 93-69 .574^ Cleveland Indians*
  22. pumpkinmcp 99-63 .611^ Los Angeles Angels*
  23. alleyviper 91-71 .562& Tampa Bay Rays*
  24. bob_shabazz 92-70 .568$ Toronto Blue Jays*
* Third round keeper sent

* new owner
^ playoff team
& WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Owner list for easy sitemailing: spoonfed; tridentric; fatguyrd; mussopini23; alice; specsman; sakensei; trenchfoot; ff09; sinfonian11; zephyr1949; captmurphy; nordawg; nyyfannova05; bigsteve12; Cheno5; atheistdeals; Chisock; rbow923; buddhagamer; justinlee_24; pumpkinmcp; alleyviper; bob_shabazz

Division Alignment

NL East: Mets, Marlins, Expos/Nats, Phillies
NL Central: Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Brewers
NL West: Rockies, Dodgers, Giants, Padres
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, Blue Jays
AL Central: Royals, Twins, Indians, Astros
AL West: Angels, Athletics, Mariners, Diamondbacks
7/21/2020 9:09 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

Tampa Bay Rays - alleyviper: Blake Snell, Charlie Morton, Fernando Rodney, Ben Zobrist, Austin Meadows, Mike Scott - HOU, Jake McGee, Mookie Betts - BOS, Carlos Pena, Rickey Henderson - NYY

Arizona Diamondbacks - mussopini23: Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Zack Greinke, Luis Gonzalez, Paul Goldschmidt, Roger Clemens - BOS, Daniel Hudson, Alex Bregman - HOU, Ketel Marte, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS

Minnesota Twins - Chisock: Joe Mauer, Rod Carew, Chuck Knoblauch, Kirby Puckett, Johan Santana, Wade Boggs - BOS, Francisco Liriano, Fergie Jenkins - CHC, Lyman Bostock, Reggie Smith - LAD

Colorado Rockies - bigsteve12: Todd Helton, Troy Tulowitski, Larry Walker, Nolan Arenado, Ubaldo Jimenez, Steve McCatty - OAK, Charlie Blackmon, Luis Tiant - BOS, Eric Young, Ellis Burks - SFG

Los Angeles Angels - pumpkinmcp: Mike Trout, Tim Salmon, Garrett Richards, Frank Tanana, TSMOPOAT, Jeff Bagwell - HOU, Bobby Grich, Ted Simmons - STL, Troy Percival, Darrell Evans - ATL

Milwaukee Brewers - atheistdeals: Christian Yelich, Robin Yount, Ryan Braun, Teddy Higuera, CC Sabathia, Bryce Harper - MON/WSH, Matt Harvey - NYM, Rollie Fingers, Roger Clemens - HOU, Mike Caldwell, Chase Utley - PHI

Miami Marlins - trenchfoot: Kevin Brown, Jose Fernandez, Gary Sheffield, Hanley Ramirez, Mike Piazza, Matt Harvey - NYM, Miguel Cabrera, Bob Ojeda - NYM, Giancarlo Stanton, Bobby Murcer - NYY

Toronto Blue Jays - bob_shabazz: Carlos Delgado, John Olerud, Jose Bautista, Roger Clemens, Mark Eichhorn, Kevin Appier - KCR, Roberto Alomar, Mike Piazza - NYM, Roy Halladay, Jim Hickman - CHC

San Diego Padres - rbow923: Jake Peavy, Kevin Brown, Tony Gwynn, Ken Caminiti, Mark Loretta, Ellis Burks - COL, Randy Jones, Yadier Molina - STL, Trevor Hoffman, Cesar Cedeno - HOU

Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals - alice: Tim Raines, Jose Vidro, Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Stephen Strasburg, Kevin Brown - LAD, Vladimir Guerrero, Matt Holliday - COL, Anthony Rendon, Cecil Cooper - MIL

Cleveland Indians - justinlee_24: Gaylord Perry, Corey Kluber, Albert Belle, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Tim Hudson - OAK, Francisco Lindor, Mariano Rivera - NYY, Manny Ramirez, Anthony Rizzo - CHC

Seattle Mariners - zephyr1949: Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr., Ichiro Suzuki, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Bret Boone, Kyle Hendricks - CHC, Cliff Lee, Josh Donaldson - TOR

Boston Red Sox - spoonfed: Carlton Fisk, Fred Lynn, Pedro Martinez, Chris Sale, Derek Lowe, Marcus Giles - ATL, Nomar Garciaparra, Amos Otis - KCR, Jonathan Papelbon, AFTBOAT - STL

Philadelphia Phillies - tridentric: Aaron Nola, Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Willie Wilson - KCR, Jimmy Rollins, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, Bobby Abreu, Mike Adams, SDP

Chicago Cubs - sinfonian11: Ryne Sandberg, Derrek Lee, Sammy Sosa, Greg Maddux, Jake Arrieta, Chris Carpenter - STL, Rick Wilkins, Manny Machado - LAD, Aroldis Chapman, Rich Harden - OAK

New York Mets - sakensei: Dwight Gooden, Pedro Martinez, Tom Seaver, Jacob DeGrom, Howard Johnson, Edgar Martinez - SEA, Carlos Beltran, Aaron Judge - NYY, Gary Carter, Robinson Cano - SEA

Kansas City Royals - nordawg: George Brett, Darrell Porter, Zack Greinke, Bret Saberhagen, Larry Gura, Bernie Williams - NYY, Jay Bell, Jerry Reuss - LAD, Roger Nelson, John Olerud - NYM

San Francisco Giants - Cheno5: Barry Bonds, Will Clark, Buster Posey, Juan Marichal, Jason Schmidt, Bob Gibson - STL, Madison Bumgarner, Andre Dawson - MON/WSH, Jeff Kent, Gary Sheffield - SDP

Atlanta Braves - specsman: Greg Maddux, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Gary Sheffield, Javy Lopez, Tim Lincecum - SFG, John Smoltz, Scott Garrelts - SFG, Craig Kimbrel, Don Sutton - HOU

St. Louis Cardinals - nyyfannova05: Willie McGee, Albert Pujols, Mark McGwire, Joe Torre, John Tudor, DJ LeMahieu - COL, Adam Wainwright, Chris Young - SDP, Jack Flaherty, Victor Martinez - CLE

New York Yankees - ff09: Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Paul O'Neill, Darin Erstad - LAA, Dave Righetti, David Cone - KCR, Robinson Cano, Justin Duchsherer - OAK

Los Angeles Dodgers - buddhagamer: Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Don Sutton, Orel Hershiser, Mike Piazza, Billy Williams - CHC, Cody Bellinger, Mark Texeira - ATL, Rafael Furcal, Lenny Dykstra - PHI

Oakland Athletics - captmurphy: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Gary Carter - MON/WSH, Marcus Semien, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Mark McGwire, Jim Thome - CLE

Houston Astros - fatguyrd: Lance Berkman, Justin Verlander, Gerrit Cole, TSMOPOAT, JR Richard, Jorge Posada - NYY, Jose Altuve, Prince Fielder - MIL, Craig Biggio, Rich Aurillia - SFG
7/23/2020 6:15 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Friday 7/17)
  1. Tampa Bay Rays - alleyviper Mike Scott - HOU
  2. Arizona Diamondbacks - mussopini23 Roger Clemens - BOS
  3. Minnesota Twins - Chisock Wade Boggs - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  4. Colorado Rockies - bigsteve12 Steve McCatty - OAK
  5. Los Angeles Angels - pumpkinmcp Jeff Bagwell - HOU (Astros off the board)
  6. Milwaukee Brewers - atheistdeals Bryce Harper - MON/WSH
  7. Miami Marlins - trenchfoot Matt Harvey - NYM
  8. Toronto Blue Jays - bob_shabazz Kevin Appier - KCR
  9. San Diego Padres - rbow923 Ellis Burks - COL
  10. Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals - alice Kevin Brown - LAD
  11. Cleveland Indians - justinlee_24 Tim Hudson - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  12. Seattle Mariners - zephyr1949 Fernando Valenzuela - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  13. Boston Red Sox - spoonfed Marcus Giles - ATL
  14. Philadelphia Phillies - tridentric Willie Wilson - KCR (Royals off the board)
  15. Chicago Cubs - sinfonian11 Chris Carpenter - STL
  16. New York Mets - sakensei Edgar Martinez - SEA
  17. Kansas City Royals - nordawg Bernie Williams - NYY
  18. San Francisco Giants - Cheno5 Bob Gibson - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  19. Atlanta Braves - specsman Tim Lincecum - SFG
  20. St. Louis Cardinals - nyyfannova05 DJ LeMahieu - COL (Rockies off the board)
  21. New York Yankees - ff09 Darin Erstad - LAA
  22. Los Angeles Dodgers - buddhagamer Billy Williams - CHC
  23. Oakland Athletics - captmurphy Gary Carter - MON/WSH (Expos/Nationals off the board)
  24. Houston Astros - fatguyrd Jorge Posada - NYY (Yankees off the board)
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts MONDAY 7/20)
  1. Tampa Bay Rays - alleyviper Mookie Betts - BOS
  2. Arizona Diamondbacks - mussopini23 Alex Bregman - HOU
  3. Minnesota Twins - Chisock Fergie Jenkins - CHC
  4. Colorado Rockies - bigsteve12 Luis Tiant - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  5. Los Angeles Angels - pumpkinmcp Ted Simmons - STL
  6. Milwaukee Brewers - atheistdeals Roger Clemens - HOU (Astros off the board)
  7. Miami Marlins - trenchfoot Bob Ojeda - NYM
  8. Toronto Blue Jays - bob_shabazz Mike Piazza - NYM (Mets off the board)
  9. San Diego Padres - rbow923 Yadier Molina - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  10. Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals - alice Matt Holliday - COL
  11. Cleveland Indians - justinlee_24 Mariano Rivera - NYY
  12. Seattle Mariners - zephyr1949 Kyle Hendricks - CHC (Cubs off the board)
  13. Boston Red Sox - spoonfed Amos Otis - KCR
  14. Philadelphia Phillies - tridentric Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  15. Chicago Cubs - sinfonian11 Manny Machado - LAD
  16. New York Mets - sakensei Aaron Judge - NYY
  17. Kansas City Royals - nordawg Jerry Reuss - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  18. San Francisco Giants - Cheno5 Andre Dawson - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  19. Atlanta Braves - specsman Scott Garrelts - SFG
  20. St. Louis Cardinals - nyyfannova05 Chris Young - SDP
  21. New York Yankees - ff09 David Cone - KCR (Royals off the board)
  22. Los Angeles Dodgers - buddhagamer Mark Texeira - ATL
  23. Oakland Athletics - captmurphy Kevin Mitchell - SFG (Giants off the board)
  24. Houston Astros - fatguyrd Prince Fielder - MIL
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule starts WEDNESDAY 7/22)
  1. Tampa Bay Rays - alleyviper Rickey Henderson - NYY
  2. Arizona Diamondbacks - mussopini23 Carl Yastrzemski - BOS
  3. Minnesota Twins - Chisock Reggie Smith - LAD
  4. Colorado Rockies - bigsteve12 Ellis Burks - SFG
  5. Los Angeles Angels - pumpkinmcp Darrell Evans - ATL
  6. Milwaukee Brewers - atheistdeals Chase Utley - PHI
  7. Miami Marlins - trenchfoot Bobby Murcer - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  8. Toronto Blue Jays - bob_shabazz Jim Hickman - CHC
  9. San Diego Padres - rbow923 Cesar Cedeno - HOU
  10. Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals - alice Cecil Cooper - MIL
  11. Cleveland Indians - justinlee_24 Anthony Rizzo - CHC (Cubs off the board)
  12. Seattle Mariners - zephyr1949 Josh Donaldson - TOR
  13. Boston Red Sox - spoonfed AFTBOAT - STL
  14. Philadelphia Phillies - tridentric Mike Adams - SDP
  15. Chicago Cubs - sinfonian11 Rich Harden - OAK
  16. New York Mets - sakensei Robinson Cano - SEA
  17. Kansas City Royals - nordawg John Olerud - NYM
  18. San Francisco Giants - Cheno5 Gary Sheffield - SDP (Padres off the board)
  19. Atlanta Braves - specsman Don Sutton - HOU (Astros off the board)
  20. St. Louis Cardinals - nyyfannova05 Victor Martinez - CLE
  21. New York Yankees - ff09 Justin Duchsherer - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  22. Los Angeles Dodgers - buddhagamer Lenny Dykstra - PHI (Phillies off the board)
  23. Oakland Athletics - captmurphy Jim Thome - CLE (Indians off the board)
  24. Houston Astros - fatguyrd Rich Aurillia - SFG (Giants off the board)
7/23/2020 6:14 PM (edited)
alleyviper
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I'll take the New England Patriots
7/14/2020 9:12 AM
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Posted by alleyviper on 7/14/2020 9:12:00 AM (view original):
I'll take the New England Patriots
LOL. Sitemailing everyone shortly after I clean up a couple of things.
7/14/2020 11:14 AM
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Posted by alleyviper on 7/14/2020 9:12:00 AM (view original):
I'll take the New England Patriots
Now that they have Cam it will make selecting keepers harder (if this season happens).
7/14/2020 12:41 PM
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I will select the Boston Red Sox
7/14/2020 2:12 PM
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I'm here, picking shortly
7/14/2020 3:10 PM
mussopini23
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ooops, jumped the gun, I will pick when it's my turn, haha
7/14/2020 3:10 PM
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sorry guys. I have been in class all day with no internet. That's why I wanted to start yesterday.

Taking the Phillies
7/14/2020 6:51 PM
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Posted by mussopini23 on 7/14/2020 3:10:00 PM (view original):
I'm here, picking shortly
Yeah, I've heard that before...
7/14/2020 6:59 PM
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The Cheating Astros
7/14/2020 7:02 PM
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I’d prefer a proxy instead of the “picking shortly” posts.

Maybe after another 40 seasons he'll figure out how to send one.
7/15/2020 10:53 AM (edited)
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