Oh, hello there, welcome to the thread. I have a fun little parlor game for you if you're interested.

In D1 Tark's current recruiting cycle, I've signed 7 ambitious bright eyed student-athletes to study at America's #1 party school, Tulane (C baseline / D current). Class includes 6 freshmen and 1 juco. We're going to suck mightily next season, and I'm already ranking the new signees for potential releases down the road.

Anyhoo, of the 6 freshmen, 3 are ineligibles. Here's my guessing game for you: How many of these three morons do you think will report to N'awlins when the season begins, and how many do you think will flip me the bird and take their talents to Garden City Community College?

Below is the recruiting data. I didn't make promises to any of the three. I won't divulge which data goes with which recruit, or what positions they play, but you can pull Tulane's profile and make educated guesses.

1) 206 APs, 4 HV
2) 169 APs, 17 HV, 1 CV
3) 160 APs, no visits

I’ve heard speculation that the more effort you spend, the more likely a recruit is to show up. I have no idea if that’s true or not. This would be a decent place to start tracking data, if people wanted to start collecting.

FWIW, I’ve recruited dozens of ineligible players (though not more than one per season) before and after 3.0, and only one has ever chosen juco. It was a player who got something in the neighborhood of 200 APs and a home visit or 3, IIRC, to shake a sim.

I think 2 will show but I don't think 1 and 3 will. Idk though, I am not experienced enough to mess with inels much at all.

Why would you not give promises to all of these guys? Are they high GPA?

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/29/2020 2:54:00 PM (view original):
Why would you not give promises to all of these guys? Are they high GPA?

No, they're all stupid. 2.1, 2.3, 2.4.

Didn't want to spread myself too thin with promises with a class this big, and I was grateful I didn't need to for these dumb ballers.

Posted by shoe3 on 7/29/2020 1:56:00 PM (view original):
I’ve heard speculation that the more effort you spend, the more likely a recruit is to show up. I have no idea if that’s true or not. This would be a decent place to start tracking data, if people wanted to start collecting.

FWIW, I’ve recruited dozens of ineligible players (though not more than one per season) before and after 3.0, and only one has ever chosen juco. It was a player who got something in the neighborhood of 200 APs and a home visit or 3, IIRC, to shake a sim.

I've also only had one ever go Juco, out of dozens of inels.

The wrinkle here is I've got three at once, and I've only ever had two at a time before. I'll be pleasantly surprised if all three report, but the game might have code to discourage three Sr/5s in a human-recruited class.

Posted by kcsundevil on 7/29/2020 3:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/29/2020 2:54:00 PM (view original):
Why would you not give promises to all of these guys? Are they high GPA?

No, they're all stupid. 2.1, 2.3, 2.4.

Didn't want to spread myself too thin with promises with a class this big, and I was grateful I didn't need to for these dumb ballers.

Almost no chance those guys will become eligible before the season starts. Were it I, all three would have been given promises. Better chance for them to show up (in my opinion). Since you're admittedly going to be bad anyway, what's the harm in having to start one if he suddenly becomes eligible?

Posted by emy1013 on 7/29/2020 5:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 7/29/2020 3:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/29/2020 2:54:00 PM (view original):
Why would you not give promises to all of these guys? Are they high GPA?

No, they're all stupid. 2.1, 2.3, 2.4.

Didn't want to spread myself too thin with promises with a class this big, and I was grateful I didn't need to for these dumb ballers.

Almost no chance those guys will become eligible before the season starts. Were it I, all three would have been given promises. Better chance for them to show up (in my opinion). Since you're admittedly going to be bad anyway, what's the harm in having to start one if he suddenly becomes eligible?

Yes, the lower the GPA the more you want to offer them promises. I've never had an inel I offered a start not show up.

Posted by emy1013 on 7/29/2020 5:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 7/29/2020 3:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/29/2020 2:54:00 PM (view original):
Why would you not give promises to all of these guys? Are they high GPA?

No, they're all stupid. 2.1, 2.3, 2.4.

Didn't want to spread myself too thin with promises with a class this big, and I was grateful I didn't need to for these dumb ballers.

Almost no chance those guys will become eligible before the season starts. Were it I, all three would have been given promises. Better chance for them to show up (in my opinion). Since you're admittedly going to be bad anyway, what's the harm in having to start one if he suddenly becomes eligible?

Fair question.

The simple fact is none of them were good enough to warrant promises, and two of them were backup options who signed more quickly than I expected. Them's the breaks.

Its hard for me to envision players that are good enough for me to sign as inels (and 2 of them you put $$ on, one of them early all in) but not good enough to ensure they show up as inels....

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/29/2020 9:55:00 PM (view original):
Its hard for me to envision players that are good enough for me to sign as inels (and 2 of them you put $$ on, one of them early all in) but not good enough to ensure they show up as inels....

8.0.3

Well, sure, and that gets to the reason for this thread, right?

Usually inels show up if you put any effort in at all, so you don't have to do much to ensure it. Will that hold true even with 3 inels in one class?

I'm not sure if we're missing the subtle hints here. But offering promises to ineligible players is basically free recruiting effort. If they stay ineligible, a start and 25 minutes can be HUGE for the added effort in recruiting. But as long as they stay ineligible by the time they arrive on the roster, you'll never have to honor those promises.

Is there another reason that I'm missing, that promises were not offered here for any of these guys?

I'm truly fascinated that so many of you are more interested in my recruiting strategy than the question I asked. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it, and I appreciate the conversation.

Today is the last day of recruiting, kids report tomorrow. None of my Three Stooges passed their SATs overnight.

i agree, in general promises on ineligibles are free - so why not? you can get too ridiculous (promising a 50 sta dude 25m in the press or something, in the off chance dude makes grades), but a small amount of restraint is plenty.

Posted by shoe3 on 7/29/2020 1:56:00 PM (view original):
I’ve heard speculation that the more effort you spend, the more likely a recruit is to show up. I have no idea if that’s true or not. This would be a decent place to start tracking data, if people wanted to start collecting.

FWIW, I’ve recruited dozens of ineligible players (though not more than one per season) before and after 3.0, and only one has ever chosen juco. It was a player who got something in the neighborhood of 200 APs and a home visit or 3, IIRC, to shake a sim.

its true, as far as i know. i would say it definitely used to be true.