Hey y'all

I'm returning to HBD after about 3 years out of the game and I have a few questions for the veteran owners:

Can you still play a rock in RF or have they changed it so they actually need some fielding ability?

Is 0 Adv Scouting still a viable strategy or have they changed something?

Is the 20 Mil Medical Budget Injury bug still happening?

Any other major updates over the last few years that spring to anyone's mind that would change strategy dramatically?

Is coach hiring (especially Fielding Instructor) still problematic?

Thanks in advance.

I don't believe anything's changed in three years.

Thanks

Posted by damag on 12/30/2020 6:35:00 PM (view original):
I don't believe anything's changed in three years.

Not entirely correct. Medical budget injury bug has changed. There is a big discussion on current state of injuries buried in the "Quality of Life/Bug Fixes?" thread and also check out the "Current thinking on Medical budget" thread, both threads recent in the last couple of weeks.

What you may have also missed is that there is no longer just 1 admin guy keeping the lights on at WIS. He is being replaced with 2 guys who are actually going to do some minor changes/improvements to all the games in the WIS family.

Specifically to address the idea that the Medical injury bug has changed - I'm not going to chase it all over these forums and write it everywhere - I dispute it. No one ever said it. We were never told anything. We have a lot of owners complaining "something changed" based on their own bad luck, recency bias, cognitive fallacy, whatever you choose to call it.

The accusation therefore, which no one says specifically, is that seble, while being the only Admin here who would have been able to tinker with the coding, screwed with the Medical Injury process (not a "bug") and did not tell anyone. Rather a big accusation, not one I would make without evidence.

I think the injuries recovery has changed at around the same time the 3rd arb/long term loop hole was fixed. I have no real proof other then what I have seen with injury recoveries and that they appear to have changed quite a bit. I have heard from others that ratings drops has changed some as well but have only seen a few cases not nearly as many as the injury recovery so its difficult to think it has.

Posted by damag on 12/31/2020 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Specifically to address the idea that the Medical injury bug has changed - I'm not going to chase it all over these forums and write it everywhere - I dispute it. No one ever said it. We were never told anything. We have a lot of owners complaining "something changed" based on their own bad luck, recency bias, cognitive fallacy, whatever you choose to call it.

The accusation therefore, which no one says specifically, is that seble, while being the only Admin here who would have been able to tinker with the coding, screwed with the Medical Injury process (not a "bug") and did not tell anyone. Rather a big accusation, not one I would make without evidence.

Where we told that the arb/long term loop hole was changed?

Posted by brianp87 on 12/31/2020 9:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by damag on 12/31/2020 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Specifically to address the idea that the Medical injury bug has changed - I'm not going to chase it all over these forums and write it everywhere - I dispute it. No one ever said it. We were never told anything. We have a lot of owners complaining "something changed" based on their own bad luck, recency bias, cognitive fallacy, whatever you choose to call it.

The accusation therefore, which no one says specifically, is that seble, while being the only Admin here who would have been able to tinker with the coding, screwed with the Medical Injury process (not a "bug") and did not tell anyone. Rather a big accusation, not one I would make without evidence.

Where we told that the arb/long term loop hole was changed?

It was in these forums somewhere. I'm certain seble posted about that. IIRC, a newer owner made a thread asking how it worked and he jumped in and said "that shouldn't work that way and I'm going to patch it."

I would try to find it, but IMO the search function in these forums doesn't really work that well.

I started the Injury Bug thread based on seeing posts from several owners that the feature/bug had disappeared. Several owners posted they still see it happening, and yesterday I saw it with one of my own players. So it seems it still exists.

Posted by nadawg77 on 12/30/2020 6:18:00 PM (view original):
Hey y'all

I'm returning to HBD after about 3 years out of the game and I have a few questions for the veteran owners:

Can you still play a rock in RF or have they changed it so they actually need some fielding ability?

Is 0 Adv Scouting still a viable strategy or have they changed something?

Is the 20 Mil Medical Budget Injury bug still happening?

Any other major updates over the last few years that spring to anyone's mind that would change strategy dramatically?

Is coach hiring (especially Fielding Instructor) still problematic?

Thanks in advance.

Rock in RF -- yes, still works. RF sees an average of 1.5 plays a game;
0 in advanced -- yes;
Injury recovery strategy -- yes, but it has to line up perfectly. Please review the two threads mentioned above.

Posted by bripat42 on 12/31/2020 10:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by damag on 12/31/2020 9:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by brianp87 on 12/31/2020 9:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by damag on 12/31/2020 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Specifically to address the idea that the Medical injury bug has changed - I'm not going to chase it all over these forums and write it everywhere - I dispute it. No one ever said it. We were never told anything. We have a lot of owners complaining "something changed" based on their own bad luck, recency bias, cognitive fallacy, whatever you choose to call it.

The accusation therefore, which no one says specifically, is that seble, while being the only Admin here who would have been able to tinker with the coding, screwed with the Medical Injury process (not a "bug") and did not tell anyone. Rather a big accusation, not one I would make without evidence.

Where we told that the arb/long term loop hole was changed?

It was in these forums somewhere. I'm certain seble posted about that. IIRC, a newer owner made a thread asking how it worked and he jumped in and said "that shouldn't work that way and I'm going to patch it."

I would try to find it, but IMO the search function in these forums doesn't really work that well.

This is correct. I remember that discussion, but I'm not going to go searching for it either.

It's worth pointing out that this is why it bugs me (see what I did there) when people refer to the injury recovery process as a "bug." It's not a bug. It works as intended. However, if people on these boards keep calling it a bug, it raises the risk of the new admin assuming it needs to be changed.

He did say that as a reply, not as a post letting people know of the change. Also yes it really was not a bug or loophole. It is a pain when people get used to the way it is a change is made. Its not like we can change budgets on the fly they limit us to 4 mill an area.

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=501265&page=2&TopicsPage=0

For the record, seble called this an unintended loophole. Just my opinion here, but I agree with him. I was not aware it even existed until I saw the above post from Seble. I would have used it if I was aware of it, but as soon as Seble mentioned it and connected consequences to the use of it, I would have stopped using it.

Again, just my opinion, but I think the above referenced "average extra year of control strategy" is more easily defined as a bug or loophole than the injury recovery strategy. Especially if it worked nearly 100 percent of the time as some users suggested.

I never tried it so I cannot say whether it worked or not. To me if there was 1% chance it did not I would not try.

I don't believe I ever used it. I thought about it, but by the time a player hits third arb he's usually 28 or 29 and you have a real idea of whether you're actually going to LT him or not, then whether he's going to be worth keeping after his first LT contract... seemed to me like using this loophole was more about feeling like you were getting away with something, than actually getting away with something.

Probably most of those users that stated it worked all the time, only used it on pitchers and high split hitters as opposed to premium defenders, power and speed guys.