Did any of the recent updates tinker with preferences and how they are weighted? Call me crazy, but recruiting feels different in Knight this time around.

Anyone else feel the same or have I finally lost my mind?

I haven't finished a recruiting period recently so I'm not sure, but can you be more specific? Preferences seem to be weighted more heavily or lightly now?

I haven't noticed a difference.

I thought the same joey during this past recruiting in Naismith. Lost an international recruit that I had been on from start of RS1 with 45 APs every cycle to a D1 that came in late in RS1 and had worse prefs than my team (was very good/good in all prefs). The only advantage that he had over me was an extra roster spot so he could get more HVs in than I could.

Posted by digitalv on 3/31/2021 1:32:00 PM (view original):
I thought the same joey during this past recruiting in Naismith. Lost an international recruit that I had been on from start of RS1 with 45 APs every cycle to a D1 that came in late in RS1 and had worse prefs than my team (was very good/good in all prefs). The only advantage that he had over me was an extra roster spot so he could get more HVs in than I could.

If you haven’t lost recruits in this fashion before, it’s because you’ve been lucky, not because something has changed. The extra prestige plus division bump vs your D2 squad is pretty big, so if they matched or exceeded your HVs, it’s not difficult to make up ground on your ~800 AP head start, especially if the player wanted to play, and they offered promises. I guess I would raise an eyebrow if this was a D level D1 and they did it in under 4 cycles. But outside of that, it’s just Wednesday, I think.

i think the value of a ship in terms of unlocking increased in one of the recent changes from 150 to 250, not sure if joey is talking about feeling different in terms of battles or just in terms of unlocking but i figured i'd mention that.

Lol. "It's just Wednesday".

Yeah, "it's just Wednesday" got me too, lol!

Posted by gillispie on 3/31/2021 3:26:00 PM (view original):
i think the value of a ship in terms of unlocking increased in one of the recent changes from 150 to 250, not sure if joey is talking about feeling different in terms of battles or just in terms of unlocking but i figured i'd mention that.

I don't think this "value of a ship equals x" is accurate anymore. And I believe THAT is what changed in the patch notes from before (and not necessarily a change or changes right at this moment that Joey may be talking about).

Gil, you believe this 150 to 250 thing because of what YOU see as a D1 coach. But I've talked with coaches that see the exact opposite. And they are D3 coaches (and some are D2).

If we look at Adams vague definition he left us, he said "scholarship is now worth more like it would be in real life". So to me, from what I've gathered from everyone from different divisions, is that the value of a scholarship is now more relevant to division/prestige/maybe other factors. Gil is a D1 coach, and obviously targets D1 pool players. He stated the value of the ship seems like MORE. But in talking with D3 coaches, some have told me that once they offer a ship to a D1 pool player, NOW, it doesn't even unlock everything. And many AP are still needed in some cases to finishes unlocking other recruiting tools.

This makes me believe that Adam made a scholarship worth "more like real life"...... if a real life D3 school offered a D1 type of player a 'ship, that school would have to do a lot more than just that to get a kid to consider. But if a D1 school offers a projected D1 kid, he's all ears.

Make sense?

I've got no cred and this is I believe my first-ever post...but as someone who frequently needs to shop at Wal-Mart or Dollar General for their prospects, I feel like the Sim AI is more aggressive these days. Normally if you're throwing 15-20 points behind someone that's not being recruited by any other user, you stand a good chance of being in the lead. I'm not finding that to be the case this cycle. Maybe that's more "realistic"...again, I'm a relative newbie at a low-prestige D1 school so this may be nothing, but I agree with Joey that something's a little different.

PS Thanks for crushing my dreams early on that 5* international SF Joey...seriously though, it helped me get out before the superpower battle between Duke/UConn/Kansas.

Posted by shoe3 on 3/31/2021 3:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by digitalv on 3/31/2021 1:32:00 PM (view original):
I thought the same joey during this past recruiting in Naismith. Lost an international recruit that I had been on from start of RS1 with 45 APs every cycle to a D1 that came in late in RS1 and had worse prefs than my team (was very good/good in all prefs). The only advantage that he had over me was an extra roster spot so he could get more HVs in than I could.

If you haven’t lost recruits in this fashion before, it’s because you’ve been lucky, not because something has changed. The extra prestige plus division bump vs your D2 squad is pretty big, so if they matched or exceeded your HVs, it’s not difficult to make up ground on your ~800 AP head start, especially if the player wanted to play, and they offered promises. I guess I would raise an eyebrow if this was a D level D1 and they did it in under 4 cycles. But outside of that, it’s just Wednesday, I think.

I don’t attribute it to being lucky, I attribute it to recruiting bad players that even the D1s don’t like lol

I guess I was more surprised I lost that quickly on a recruit (I believe it was around 3-4 total cycles). But if you were to put it in real life, if a decent D1 offers you a starting spot + mins and a decent D2 offers you the same, which one would you take?

Posted by topdogggbm on 3/31/2021 5:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie on 3/31/2021 3:26:00 PM (view original):
i think the value of a ship in terms of unlocking increased in one of the recent changes from 150 to 250, not sure if joey is talking about feeling different in terms of battles or just in terms of unlocking but i figured i'd mention that.

I don't think this "value of a ship equals x" is accurate anymore. And I believe THAT is what changed in the patch notes from before (and not necessarily a change or changes right at this moment that Joey may be talking about).

Gil, you believe this 150 to 250 thing because of what YOU see as a D1 coach. But I've talked with coaches that see the exact opposite. And they are D3 coaches (and some are D2).

If we look at Adams vague definition he left us, he said "scholarship is now worth more like it would be in real life". So to me, from what I've gathered from everyone from different divisions, is that the value of a scholarship is now more relevant to division/prestige/maybe other factors. Gil is a D1 coach, and obviously targets D1 pool players. He stated the value of the ship seems like MORE. But in talking with D3 coaches, some have told me that once they offer a ship to a D1 pool player, NOW, it doesn't even unlock everything. And many AP are still needed in some cases to finishes unlocking other recruiting tools.

This makes me believe that Adam made a scholarship worth "more like real life"...... if a real life D3 school offered a D1 type of player a 'ship, that school would have to do a lot more than just that to get a kid to consider. But if a D1 school offers a projected D1 kid, he's all ears.

Make sense?

I agree with this. I don't know whether a scholarship is worth 150 or 250 like Gil is saying. It seems like it is probably something like D1 - 400, D2 - 200, D3 - 100. I am not suggesting those specific numbers, rather agreeing with Top that the point value is impacted by division of the school. I don't think it takes into account division of the recruit though (based on rather sparse anecdotal evidence of D2 and D1 recruits from a D2 school).

Posted by digitalv on 3/31/2021 7:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 3/31/2021 3:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by digitalv on 3/31/2021 1:32:00 PM (view original):
I thought the same joey during this past recruiting in Naismith. Lost an international recruit that I had been on from start of RS1 with 45 APs every cycle to a D1 that came in late in RS1 and had worse prefs than my team (was very good/good in all prefs). The only advantage that he had over me was an extra roster spot so he could get more HVs in than I could.

If you haven’t lost recruits in this fashion before, it’s because you’ve been lucky, not because something has changed. The extra prestige plus division bump vs your D2 squad is pretty big, so if they matched or exceeded your HVs, it’s not difficult to make up ground on your ~800 AP head start, especially if the player wanted to play, and they offered promises. I guess I would raise an eyebrow if this was a D level D1 and they did it in under 4 cycles. But outside of that, it’s just Wednesday, I think.

I don’t attribute it to being lucky, I attribute it to recruiting bad players that even the D1s don’t like lol

I guess I was more surprised I lost that quickly on a recruit (I believe it was around 3-4 total cycles). But if you were to put it in real life, if a decent D1 offers you a starting spot + mins and a decent D2 offers you the same, which one would you take?

What was the prestige difference, and did the recruit sign in the first period, or the second period?

Posted by topdogggbm on 3/31/2021 5:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie on 3/31/2021 3:26:00 PM (view original):
i think the value of a ship in terms of unlocking increased in one of the recent changes from 150 to 250, not sure if joey is talking about feeling different in terms of battles or just in terms of unlocking but i figured i'd mention that.

I don't think this "value of a ship equals x" is accurate anymore. And I believe THAT is what changed in the patch notes from before (and not necessarily a change or changes right at this moment that Joey may be talking about).

Gil, you believe this 150 to 250 thing because of what YOU see as a D1 coach. But I've talked with coaches that see the exact opposite. And they are D3 coaches (and some are D2).

If we look at Adams vague definition he left us, he said "scholarship is now worth more like it would be in real life". So to me, from what I've gathered from everyone from different divisions, is that the value of a scholarship is now more relevant to division/prestige/maybe other factors. Gil is a D1 coach, and obviously targets D1 pool players. He stated the value of the ship seems like MORE. But in talking with D3 coaches, some have told me that once they offer a ship to a D1 pool player, NOW, it doesn't even unlock everything. And many AP are still needed in some cases to finishes unlocking other recruiting tools.

This makes me believe that Adam made a scholarship worth "more like real life"...... if a real life D3 school offered a D1 type of player a 'ship, that school would have to do a lot more than just that to get a kid to consider. But if a D1 school offers a projected D1 kid, he's all ears.

Make sense?

interesting, that does make sense. i believe it was 150 everywhere before (well most of the time at least, and always in that ballpark?), and i only had 1 or 2 guys i could do the math on for d1 since the change but it was right around 250 so i kinda figured maybe they changed it across the board too. but i think it would be cool if it was like you said and more nuanced now. maybe it even varies inside the same division? i guess after a couple more guys that will be clearer!

Posted by shoe3 on 3/31/2021 10:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by digitalv on 3/31/2021 7:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 3/31/2021 3:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by digitalv on 3/31/2021 1:32:00 PM (view original):
I thought the same joey during this past recruiting in Naismith. Lost an international recruit that I had been on from start of RS1 with 45 APs every cycle to a D1 that came in late in RS1 and had worse prefs than my team (was very good/good in all prefs). The only advantage that he had over me was an extra roster spot so he could get more HVs in than I could.

If you haven’t lost recruits in this fashion before, it’s because you’ve been lucky, not because something has changed. The extra prestige plus division bump vs your D2 squad is pretty big, so if they matched or exceeded your HVs, it’s not difficult to make up ground on your ~800 AP head start, especially if the player wanted to play, and they offered promises. I guess I would raise an eyebrow if this was a D level D1 and they did it in under 4 cycles. But outside of that, it’s just Wednesday, I think.

I don’t attribute it to being lucky, I attribute it to recruiting bad players that even the D1s don’t like lol

I guess I was more surprised I lost that quickly on a recruit (I believe it was around 3-4 total cycles). But if you were to put it in real life, if a decent D1 offers you a starting spot + mins and a decent D2 offers you the same, which one would you take?

What was the prestige difference, and did the recruit sign in the first period, or the second period?

I’m a B+ in D2, he’s a C+ in D1. Signed 2nd cycle of RS2, D1 didn’t appear until 2 cycles remaining in RS1.

I will say I think recruiting will be a lot harder now on for D2 teams with how much easier it is to move up to D1.