Rule V Leg #71 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Padres won the last world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. (New last season) Division alignment will be determined randomly after team selection is complete.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1971-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1971-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1971 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in ten drafts)
4/22/2021 11:55 AM
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Rule V Player Draft Order (teams in RED selected in franchise draft)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 16 1070 1522 0.4128
2 D'backs 30 2248 2612 0.4626
3 Tigers 38 2911 3247 0.4727
4 Pirates 36 2778 3054 0.4763
5 Rockies 23 1781 1946 0.4779
6 White Sox 22 1711 1853 0.4801
7 Rangers 29 2267 2432 0.4824
8 Twins 42 3297 3509 0.4844
9 Brewers 37 2948 3050 0.4915
10 Marlins 30 2406 2456 0.4949
11 Angels 31 2487 2536 0.4951
12 Orioles 39 3133 3186 0.4958
13 Red Sox 52 4197 4228 0.4982
14 Blue Jays 48 3877 3901 0.4985
15 Expos 52 4219 4208 0.5007
16 Padres 38 3084 3073 0.5009
17 Mariners 47 3825 3792 0.5022
18 Phillies 46 3752 3703 0.5033
19 Indians 50 4079 4022 0.5035
20 Cubs 42 3439 3365 0.5054
21 Reds 43 3528 3439 0.5064
22 Royals 45 3719 3574 0.5099
23 Mets 47 3897 3718 0.5118
24 Giants 47 3909 3708 0.5132
25 Braves 51 4241 4021 0.5133
26 Cardinals 52 4352 4073 0.5166
27 Yankees 48 4037 3739 0.5192
28 Dodgers 51 4319 3945 0.5226
29 A's 52 4462 3964 0.5296
30 Astros 52 4472 3953 0.5308
4/24/2021 2:53 PM (edited)
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Rule V Franchise Draft (timed schedule starts FRIDAY 4/23)
  1. alice 63-99 Philadelphia Phillies 20*
  2. specsman 67-95 .414 San Diego Padres 2*
  3. newarkwilder 72-90 .444* Milwaukee Brewers 10*
  4. mussopini23 74-88 .457 Chicago White Sox 22
  5. tridentric 75-87 .463 Minnesota Twins 1*
  6. ff09 75-87 .463 Chicago Cubs 21*
  7. pumpkinmcp 75-87 .463 Houston Astros 11*
  8. fatguyrd 77-87 .475 Seattle Mariners 14*
  9. zephyr1949 78-84 .481 Boston Red Sox 24*
  10. nordawg 79-83 .488 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals 19*
  11. nyyfannova05 80-82 .494 Los Angeles Dodgers 13*
  12. Chisock 80-82 .494 Arizona Diamondbacks 7*
  13. alleyviper 80-82 .494 Toronto Blue Jays 12*
  14. rbow923 82-80 .506 New York Yankees 9*
  15. deathdealer 83-79 .512 Florida Marlins 16*
  16. sinfonian11 85-77 .525 Colorado Rockies 3*
  17. atheistdeals 86-76 .531^ Cincinnati Reds 6*
  18. bob_shabazz 86-76 .531^ Cleveland Indians 15*
  19. bigsteve12 89-73 .549^ Tampa Bay Rays 5*
  20. sakensei 91-71 .562^ Kansas City Royals 8*
  21. buddhagamer 91-71 .562^ Oakland Athletics 23*
  22. justinlee_24 93-69 .574^ Atlanta Braves 18*
  23. captmurphy 97-65 .599% New York Mets 17*
  24. tjefferson 86-76 .531$ St. Louis Cardinals 4*
* third round keeper sent

* new owner
^ playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Division Alignment:
NL East: Twins, Padres, Rockies, Cardinals
NL Central: Rays, Reds, Diamondbacks, Royals
NL West: Yankees, Brewers, Astros, Blue Jays
AL East: Dodgers, Mariners, Indians, Marlins
AL Central: Mets, Braves, Expo/Nats, Phillies
AL West: Cubs, White Sox, Athletics, Red Sox

List of owners for sitemailing: alice; specsman; newarkwilder; mussopini23; tridentric; ff09; pumpkinmcp; fatguyrd; zephyr1949; nordawg; nyyfannova05; Chisock; alleyviper; rbow923; deathdealer; sinfonian11; atheistdeals; bob_shabazz; bigsteve12; sakensei; buddhagamer; justinlee_24; captmurphy; tjefferson
4/29/2021 11:35 AM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule begins MONDAY 4/26)
  1. bigsteve12 - Tampa Bay Rays: George Foster - CIN
  2. Chisock - Arizona Diamondbacks: Mike Schmidt - PHI
  3. sinfonian11 - Colorado Rockies: Roger Clemens - BOS
  4. mussopini23 - Chicago White Sox: Zack Greinke - LAD
  5. tridentric - Minnesota Twins: Justin Verlander - HOU
  6. newarkwilder - Milwaukee Brewers: Kevin Appier - KCR
  7. deathdealer - Miami Marlins: Gerrit Cole - HOU (Astros off the board)
  8. zephyr1949 - Boston Red Sox: Hideo Nomo - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  9. alleyviper - Toronto Blue Jays: Juan Soto - MON/WSH
  10. nordawg - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: John Olerud - NYM
  11. specsman - San Diego Padres: Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH (Expo/Nats off the board)
  12. fatguyrd - Seattle Mariners: Billy Williams - CHC
  13. alice - Philadelphia Phillies: Mookie Betts - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  14. bob_shabazz - Cleveland Indians: Hank Aaron - ATL
  15. ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Bernie Williams - NYY
  16. atheistdeals - Cincinnati Reds: Ken Caminiti - SDP
  17. sakensei - Kansas City Royals: Jose Reyes - NYM (Mets off the board)
  18. captmurphy - New York Mets: Derrek Lee - CHC (Cubs off the board)
  19. justinlee_24 - Atlanta Braves: Willie Wilson - KCR (Royals off the board)
  20. tjefferson - St. Louis Cardinals: Dave Righetti - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  21. rbow923 - New York Yankees: Johnny Cueto - CIN (Reds off the board)
  22. nyyfannova05 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Chuck Knoblauch - MIN
  23. buddhagamer - Oakland Athletics: Charlie Blackmon - COL
  24. pumpkinmcp - Houston Astros: Ted Simmons - STL
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule begins WEDNESDAY 4/28)
  1. bigsteve12 - Tampa Bay Rays: Nomar Garciaparra - BOS
  2. Chisock - Arizona Diamondbacks: Kenny Lofton - CLE
  3. sinfonian11 - Colorado Rockies: JR Richard - HOU
  4. mussopini23 - Chicago White Sox: DJ LeMahieu - NYY
  5. tridentric - Minnesota Twins: Adrian Beltre - LAD
  6. newarkwilder - Milwaukee Brewers: Zack Greinke - HOU (Astros off the board)
  7. deathdealer - Miami Marlins: Fernando Valenzuela - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  8. zephyr1949 - Boston Red Sox: Kris Medlen - ATL
  9. alleyviper - Toronto Blue Jays: Javy Lopez - ATL (Braves off the board)
  10. nordawg - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Edgardo Alfonso - NYM
  11. specsman - San Diego Padres: Adam Wainwright - STL
  12. fatguyrd - Seattle Mariners: Mo Vaughn - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  13. alice - Philadelphia Phillies: Jon Matlack - NYM (Mets off the board)
  14. bob_shabazz - Cleveland Indians: AFTBOAT - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  15. ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Jose Canseco - OAK
  16. atheistdeals - Cincinnati Reds: Jose Fernandez - MIA
  17. sakensei - Kansas City Royals: Bobby Abreu - PHI
  18. captmurphy - New York Mets: Manny Ramirez - CLE (Indians off the board)
  19. justinlee_24 - Atlanta Braves: CC Sabathia - MIL
  20. tjefferson - St. Louis Cardinals: Chase Utley - PHI (Phillies off the board)
  21. rbow923 - New York Yankees: Eric Young - COL
  22. nyyfannova05 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Tony Fernandez - TOR
  23. buddhagamer - Oakland Athletics: HWMNBN - CIN
  24. pumpkinmcp - Houston Astros: Anthony Rendon - MON/WSH
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule begins FRIDAY 4/30)
  1. bigsteve12 - Tampa Bay Rays: Don Wilson - HOU
  2. Chisock - Arizona Diamondbacks: Reggie Smith - LAD
  3. sinfonian11 - Colorado Rockies: Dakota Hudson - STL
  4. mussopini23 - Chicago White Sox: Manny Machado - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  5. tridentric - Minnesota Twins: Kyle Hendricks - CHC
  6. newarkwilder - Milwaukee Brewers: Rich Hill - OAK
  7. deathdealer - Miami Marlins: Dennis Martinez - MON/WSH
  8. zephyr1949 - Boston Red Sox: Joel Pineiro - SEA
  9. alleyviper - Toronto Blue Jays: Roy Halladay - PHI
  10. nordawg - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Gary Sheffield - ATL
  11. specsman - San Diego Padres: Jason Giambi - NYY
  12. fatguyrd - Seattle Mariners: Cole Hamels - PHI (Phillies off the board)
  13. alice - Philadelphia Phillies: Manny Ramirez - BOS
  14. bob_shabazz - Cleveland Indians: Salvador Perez - KCR
  15. ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Miguel Tejada - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  16. atheistdeals - Cincinnati Reds: Bob Ojeda - NYM
  17. sakensei - Kansas City Royals: Pedro Martinez - NYM (Mets off the board)
  18. captmurphy - New York Mets: Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH (Expo/Nats off the board)
  19. justinlee_24 - Atlanta Braves: Zach Plesac - CLE
  20. tjefferson - St. Louis Cardinals: Zach Cozart - CIN
  21. rbow923 - New York Yankees: Brad Keller - KCR (Royals off the board)
  22. nyyfannova05 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Wade Boggs - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  23. buddhagamer - Oakland Athletics: Mark Loretta - SDP
  24. pumpkinmcp - Houston Astros: Kevin Mitchell - CIN (Reds off the board)
5/1/2021 11:58 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

bigsteve12 - Tampa Bay Rays: Blake Snell, Charlie Morton, Fernando Rodney, Nick Anderson, Evan Longoria, George Foster - CIN, James Shields, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, David Price, Don Wilson - HOU

Chisock - Arizona Diamondbacks: Paul Goldschmidt, Ketel Marte, Luis Gonzalez, Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Mike Schmidt - PHI, Zack Greinke, Kenny Lofton - CLE, Daniel Hudson, Reggie Smith - LAD

sinfonian11 - Colorado Rockies: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, DJ LeMahieu, Nolan Arenado, Ellis Burks, Roger Clemens - BOS, Troy Tulowitski, JR Richard - HOU, Ubaldo Jimenez, Dakota Hudson - STL

mussopini23 - Chicago White Sox: Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Dick Allen, Chris Sale, Wilbur Wood, Zack Greinke - LAD, Bobby Jenks, DJ LeMahieu - NYY, Magglio Ordonez, Manny Machado - LAD

tridentric - Minnesota Twins: Rod Carew, Joe Mauer, Kirby Puckett, Johan Santana, Kenta Maeda, Justin Verlander - HOU, Bert Blyleven, Adrian Beltre - LAD, Joe Nathan, Kyle Hendricks - CHC

newarkwilder - Milwaukee Brewers: Robin Yount, Christian Yelich, Corbin Burnes, Teddy Higuera, Devin Williams, Kevin Appier - KCR, Ryan Braun, Zack Greinke - HOU, Rollie Fingers, Rich Hill - OAK

deathdealer - Miami Marlins: Kevin Brown, Mike Piazza, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Gerrit Cole - HOU, Luis Castillo, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Armando Benitez, Dennis Martinez - MON/WSH

zephyr1949 - Boston Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Chris Sale, Derek Lowe, Wade Boggs, Fred Lynn, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Dustin Pedroia, Kris Medlen - ATL, Xander Bogaerts, Joel Pineiro - SEA

alleyviper - Toronto Blue Jays: John Olerud, Carlos Delgado, Jose Bautista, Roger Clemens, Mark Eichhorn, Juan Soto - MON/WSH, Roberto Alomar, Javy Lopez - ATL, Roy Halladay, Roy Halladay - PHI

nordawg - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Bryce Harper, Gary Carter, Tim Raines, Max Scherzer, Pedro Martinez, John Olerud - NYM, Pascual Perez, Edgardo Alfonso - NYM, Tim Burke, Gary Sheffield - ATL

specsman - San Diego Padres: Manny Machado, Tony Gwynn, Kevin Brown, Dinelson Lamet, Jake Peavy, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH, Trevor Hoffman, Adam Wainwright - STL, Fernando Tatis, Jr.,

fatguyrd - Seattle Mariners: Alex Rodriguez, Edgar Martinez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Felix Hernandez, Randy Johnson, Billy Williams - CHC, Bret Boone, Mo Vaughn - BOS, Ichiro Suzuki, Cole Hamels - PHI

alice - Philadelphia Phillies: Steve Carlton, Jimmy Rollins, Aaron Nola, HWMNBN, AFTBOAT, Mookie Betts - BOS, JT Realmuto, Jon Matlack - NYM, Placido Polanco, Manny Ramirez - BOS

bob_shabazz - Cleveland Indians: Shane Bieber, Gaylord Perry, Corey Kluber, Albert Belle, Roberto Alomar, Hank Aaron - ATL, Jim Thome, AFTBOAT - STL, Jose Ramirez, Salvador Perez - KCR

ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Greg Maddux, Jake Arrieta, Yu Darvish, Sammy Sosa, Ryne Sandberg, Bernie Williams - NYY, Rick Wilkins, Jose Canseco - OAK, Aroldis Chapman, Miguel Tejada - OAK

atheistdeals - Cincinnati Reds: Joe Morgan, Johnny Bench, Joey Votto, Barry Larkin, Trevor Bauer, Ken Caminiti - SDP, Tom Seaver, Jose Fernandez - MIA, Eric Davis, Bob Ojeda - NYM

sakensei - Kansas City Royals: Darrell Porter, George Brett, Bret Saberhagen, Larry Gura, Zack Greinke, Jose Reyes - NYM, Carlos Beltran, Bobby Abreu - PHI, Jose Offerman, Pedro Martinez - NYM

captmurphy - New York Mets: Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Matt Harvey, Jacob DeGrom, David Wright, Derrek Lee - CHC, Howard Johnson, Manny Ramirez - CLE, Mike Piazza, Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH

justinlee_24 - Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Chipper Jones, Freddie Freeman, Marcell Ozuna, Willie Wilson - KCR, Kevin Millwood, CC Sabathia - MIL, Marcus Giles, Zach Plesac - CLE

tjefferson - St. Louis Cardinals: John Tudor, Chris Carpenter, Mark McGwire, Albert Pujols, Willie McGee, Dave Righetti - NYY, Joe Torre, Chase Utley - PHI, Yadier Molina, Zach Cozart - CIN

rbow923 - New York Yankees: Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Paul O'Neill, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Johnny Cueto - CIN, Rickey Henderson, Eric Young - COL, Don Mattingly, Brad Keller - KCR

nyyfannova05 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw, Don Sutton, Kevin Brown, Orel Hershiser, Mike Piazza, Chuck Knoblauch - MIN, Cody Bellinger, Tony Fernandez - TOR, Pedro Guerrero, Wade Boggs - NYY

buddhagamer - Oakland Athletics: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Charlie Blackmon - COL, Marcus Semien, HWMNBN - CIN, Tim Hudson, Mark Loretta - SDP

pumpkinmcp - Houston Astros: Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Mike Scott, TSMOPOAT, Roger Clemens, Ted Simmons - STL, Alex Bregman, Anthony Rendon - MON/WSH, Craig Biggio, Kevin Mitchell - CIN
5/1/2021 11:59 AM (edited)
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I have never picked at the top of the order before. This is a huge responsibility.I mean the weight of the whole league is on my shoulders.
So I ask for divine intervention, I thought what would Tridentric do if he was in this position. Then it came to me.

Philadelphia Phillies !!!!

4/22/2021 2:58 PM
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Gee what winning team form the last leg can we lead to the basement.... San Diego Padres!
4/22/2021 4:06 PM
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Gee what winning team form the last leg can we lead to the basement.... San Diego Padres!
4/22/2021 4:06 PM
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Gee what winning team form the last leg can we lead to the basement.... San Diego Padres!
4/22/2021 4:06 PM
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I think specsman really wants the Padres !
4/22/2021 4:34 PM
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Posted by alice on 4/22/2021 2:58:00 PM (view original):
I have never picked at the top of the order before. This is a huge responsibility.I mean the weight of the whole league is on my shoulders.
So I ask for divine intervention, I thought what would Tridentric do if he was in this position. Then it came to me.

Philadelphia Phillies !!!!

sadly I have been in that position too many times.
4/22/2021 8:17 PM
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Timed schedule is posted for tomorrow. Sitemailed the next three owners. Will check in again tomorrow morning.
4/22/2021 9:34 PM
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4/22/2021 10:22 PM
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well 2 out of the 3 teams I have never played are now gone. One left.
4/23/2021 7:59 AM
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Just FYI, pini opened the first sitemail I sent this week with an update, but he hasn’t opened the one I sent yesterday.
4/23/2021 11:54 AM
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