Can we just fire somebody already?! I’m anxious to see how the first person fired handles it considering ppl freaked the F out over honoring promises to ineligible players their first year eligible! I’m excited to see the monumental mental breakdown when it happens! I’m like a fat kid in a candy store excited! #HeGone

Posted by Brokenee on 4/29/2021 12:31:00 PM (view original):
Can we just fire somebody already?! I’m anxious to see how the first person fired handles it considering ppl freaked the F out over honoring promises to ineligible players their first year eligible! I’m excited to see the monumental mental breakdown when it happens! I’m like a fat kid in a candy store excited! #HeGone

I'm sure this is next on Adam's list. I also don't think anyone should ever be fired from C+ or below baseline D1 really (or d2/d3).

Make it a Big 6 + B- and above non-big 6 thing!

I also can't wait for this. I'm wondering if there will be some sort of grace period or if coaches who haven't met their new standards will be fired immediately. Those standards need to be clearly stated well before that patch goes live so the coaches who haven't been meeting them at least have a season or two to get their sh*t together.

I definitely agree with this, just curious how long you would get to turn a team around, let's say you took over a team in a Power 6 Conference and their prestige had dipped to the c or c- range and was just a complete dumpster fire 5 walk-ons or more, and the conference was filled with fairly good coaches.

Posted by garbage29 on 4/29/2021 4:24:00 PM (view original):
I definitely agree with this, just curious how long you would get to turn a team around, let's say you took over a team in a Power 6 Conference and their prestige had dipped to the c or c- range and was just a complete dumpster fire 5 walk-ons or more, and the conference was filled with fairly good coaches.

I think in this case you should get maybe 5 years to make the NT - something like that. Maybe 5 years for a winning record, 7 for an NT. Something relatively easy to attain, but it should get harder after that - again not really hard. Maybe make the NT like 1 out of every 4 years? I am just pulling these out of nowhere, but this would probably be a reasonable expectation in real life.

They're coming! Adam dropped a small teaser that firings were on the way. I don't know the exact details or the timeline, but he said:

"Much like you said explaining the process would lead to manipulation, much like the big board is at this point (something I would love to fix), but I will be as open with you all as I can, but in this situation I think all the relevant information is out there and its just a matter or being patient until we get a firing process created, a teaser."

Posted by chapelhillne on 5/1/2021 11:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by garbage29 on 4/29/2021 4:24:00 PM (view original):
I definitely agree with this, just curious how long you would get to turn a team around, let's say you took over a team in a Power 6 Conference and their prestige had dipped to the c or c- range and was just a complete dumpster fire 5 walk-ons or more, and the conference was filled with fairly good coaches.

I think in this case you should get maybe 5 years to make the NT - something like that. Maybe 5 years for a winning record, 7 for an NT. Something relatively easy to attain, but it should get harder after that - again not really hard. Maybe make the NT like 1 out of every 4 years? I am just pulling these out of nowhere, but this would probably be a reasonable expectation in real life.

I think you should definitely get enough time to have a roster full of your own recruits. Maybe have the minimum standards listed when you get the hiring e-mail but don't have them take effect until beginning year 5 at your school. Or even better, somehow have the standards listed on the job application page when you apply for a job. That way there are no surprises if/when a coach gets canned. They would know going in what the minimum requirements were, so there should be no excuses at that point.

FWIW, I know this has been mentioned but I thought I'd say again that because prestige is easy to raise at D2/D3, there shouldn't be any firings at those levels (with the possible exception of a coach ghost shipping a team for a number of seasons).

Posted by emy1013 on 5/5/2021 2:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by chapelhillne on 5/1/2021 11:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by garbage29 on 4/29/2021 4:24:00 PM (view original):
I definitely agree with this, just curious how long you would get to turn a team around, let's say you took over a team in a Power 6 Conference and their prestige had dipped to the c or c- range and was just a complete dumpster fire 5 walk-ons or more, and the conference was filled with fairly good coaches.

I think in this case you should get maybe 5 years to make the NT - something like that. Maybe 5 years for a winning record, 7 for an NT. Something relatively easy to attain, but it should get harder after that - again not really hard. Maybe make the NT like 1 out of every 4 years? I am just pulling these out of nowhere, but this would probably be a reasonable expectation in real life.

I think you should definitely get enough time to have a roster full of your own recruits. Maybe have the minimum standards listed when you get the hiring e-mail but don't have them take effect until beginning year 5 at your school. Or even better, somehow have the standards listed on the job application page when you apply for a job. That way there are no surprises if/when a coach gets canned. They would know going in what the minimum requirements were, so there should be no excuses at that point.

FWIW, I know this has been mentioned but I thought I'd say again that because prestige is easy to raise at D2/D3, there shouldn't be any firings at those levels (with the possible exception of a coach ghost shipping a team for a number of seasons).

Agree with all this. Maybe even a little bit longer than "enough time to get a roster full of your own recruits".

I think the goal isn't to create a massive coaching carousel. Its just to eliminate those few times where we look at a team profile and say "how is this guy still coaching this team? They've sucked for years now!". At the stage where we first get a roster full of our own recruits, that's when we get our first chance to compete. But it doesn't necessarily mean we "should be" competitive. It's tough sometimes when we first get started. Say an A- school is down to a C, if trending in the right direction, it still might take 10 seasons to get back to that A-. Botching a recruiting session here or there can set us back, as long as general progress is being made, I just hope the firings aren't super strict. Stating the qualifications beforehand is crucial.

(To be clear, I know you weren't saying that as soon as we get a roster of our players that firings should come into effect immediately. I was just adding some to the discussion)

What concerns me about the firing process tho, is how are things going to be handled as far as a replacement job. Maybe one EASY part, is to make the fired coach qualified for all jobs a notch below the baseline of the school he was fired from. But the very HARD part (at least in my opinion)..... since D1 jobs are given out like candy now in this new style of play Adam has put in, all big 6 jobs will pretty much stay full. (And NO shoe, I don't mean because ALL coaches will stay at programs for 100 seasons, but because the ease on restrictions in getting to D1 now have kept the big 6 conferences basically full lately).

If I get fired from A+ UCLA after a handful of bad seasons, I don't think there will be many options to fall back on besides low D1 or mid majors. That might make a lot of fired coaches unhappy. Also, let's say an option is put in to where if someone gets fired from an A+ school that they get somewhat of a "first dibs" of remaining jobs (ex if coach Cal gets fired in real life, he'd have his pick of where to coach next. It's not as if he HAS to go to some Horizon league school to rebuild his career), then we run into the problem of "How come I didn't get the Rutgers job, but Coach A got them after being fired from UCLA?"

It's all a delicate process. I'm curious to see the direction we go next

Some very good points emy and topdog. Just a hunch, but I don't think there will be any complex additions to firings beyond the firings themselves. For example, if you get fired, you'll probably just have to apply for a new job without any extra bonuses. Just your resume against anyone else who applied. In real life, if you can't cut it at one of the major programs, you generally go back to a mid major (ala Shaka Smart).

I'm also not sure how clear these requirements are going to be. It seems like they want us to figure these things out for ourselves. Once its implemented, I'm sure we'll have several examples that will give us a general idea of what's required. But those first few seasons are going to be rough.

Also, I'm fairly certain that they learned their lesson from the ineligible promises change. We'll get several months warning before this patch goes live.

Firing too quickly makes it less desirable to change the sets a team has been playing.

"make the fired coach qualified for all jobs a notch below the baseline of the school he was fired from" OR "if someone gets fired from an A+ school that they get somewhat of a "first dibs" of remaining jobs"
That almost removes the consequences of being fired. Not so sure I favor that.

"somehow have the standards listed on the job application page when you apply for a job. That way there are no surprises if/when a coach gets canned. They would know going in what the minimum requirements were, so there should be no excuses at that point."
I like that. Programming requirements to retain a job might not be too difficult, since there is already programming for requirements to obtain the job.

Posted by emy1013 on 5/5/2021 2:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by chapelhillne on 5/1/2021 11:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by garbage29 on 4/29/2021 4:24:00 PM (view original):
I definitely agree with this, just curious how long you would get to turn a team around, let's say you took over a team in a Power 6 Conference and their prestige had dipped to the c or c- range and was just a complete dumpster fire 5 walk-ons or more, and the conference was filled with fairly good coaches.

I think in this case you should get maybe 5 years to make the NT - something like that. Maybe 5 years for a winning record, 7 for an NT. Something relatively easy to attain, but it should get harder after that - again not really hard. Maybe make the NT like 1 out of every 4 years? I am just pulling these out of nowhere, but this would probably be a reasonable expectation in real life.

I think you should definitely get enough time to have a roster full of your own recruits. Maybe have the minimum standards listed when you get the hiring e-mail but don't have them take effect until beginning year 5 at your school. Or even better, somehow have the standards listed on the job application page when you apply for a job. That way there are no surprises if/when a coach gets canned. They would know going in what the minimum requirements were, so there should be no excuses at that point.

FWIW, I know this has been mentioned but I thought I'd say again that because prestige is easy to raise at D2/D3, there shouldn't be any firings at those levels (with the possible exception of a coach ghost shipping a team for a number of seasons).

Firings should be Big Six only and as stated in the post I quote, when you accept a Big Six job, you should get an email with expectations. That is the most fair standard for the Firing Mechanism.

There is a coach in the ACC in Crum who in the last 5 seasons has a record of 1-134. That is not a misprint. 1 win and 134 losses. He remains employed.

Posted by dunkonyou on 5/6/2021 9:59:00 AM (view original):
There is a coach in the ACC in Crum who in the last 5 seasons has a record of 1-134. That is not a misprint. 1 win and 134 losses. He remains employed.

Yeah, that guy has been AFK for several seasons now. GT has been a sim team for quite a while now.

if youre fired you should get a $13 buck credit in your account IMO