Now that I'm a few recruiting cycles in after coming out of retirement this is my biggest complaint/that's not realistic:

DI prospects signing with DII/III schools during the first cycle of Recruiting Period 2. To me, it seems like these recruits shouldn't be signing that quickly in P2. There are a number of reasons that DI schools might be focusing down the list of remaining players in P2 - new coach, early entries, changing style of play, etc. Maybe it's just me but if a player is considered DI material and a DI program comes calling during the 1st cycle of P2 then, IRL, they would likely want to hear out this DI school. There should be no rush for a DI player to sign with a DII/III school. Now, I'm not saying that the DI school should just instantly win these battles but it does seem a bit unrealistic that the majority of these players wouldn't want to see what a coupe of cycles of being recruited by a DI school might generate.

Maybe that needs to be addressed as a Preference? Like Preference to play DI - Very High----->Doesn't Care. The higher the preference is to play at DI the longer the recruit will hold out for a DI offer.

I am in agreement. Especially now that D1 is starting to fill. New Coaches to D1 deserve at minimum a day to turn recruits their way. I also think it is crazy that 5 Star Recruits, don't ALL want to play, and don't ALL deserve a "Play Preference".

One way to handle this that could be creative would be to have what I would call a DI interest override.

If a DI prospect doesnt have a DI school devoting effort in the second recruiting session, then he can sign right away with DII when that opens. If a DI school has devoted effort - in the second session - the player waits at least N 6 hour recruiting cycles despite his otherwise embedded prediliction to sign earlier.

As I understand it the prestige advantage for D1 schools means that there is already a built in preference for them among all players. Make D2 schools wait longer to sign these players? We are already talking about day 7 of 9. Just like D2 and D3 schools, D1 schools must calculate the risk/reward for how aggressive they recruit in those first 6 days and create secondary options during that time. Arguing that there should be no risk to those choices always strikes me as odd. As far as the IRL argument, if a D1 school ignores someone for 6 days you can’t think they would be believed when they tell a recruit it is true love.

Posted by mike1004 on 5/24/2021 7:59:00 PM (view original):
As I understand it the prestige advantage for D1 schools means that there is already a built in preference for them among all players. Make D2 schools wait longer to sign these players? We are already talking about day 7 of 9. Just like D2 and D3 schools, D1 schools must calculate the risk/reward for how aggressive they recruit in those first 6 days and create secondary options during that time. Arguing that there should be no risk to those choices always strikes me as odd. As far as the IRL argument, if a D1 school ignores someone for 6 days you can’t think they would be believed when they tell a recruit it is true love.

Tell that to a coach who arrives at a new D1 school who didn't get any opportunity to do any effort on their own.

Posted by mike1004 on 5/24/2021 7:59:00 PM (view original):
As I understand it the prestige advantage for D1 schools means that there is already a built in preference for them among all players. Make D2 schools wait longer to sign these players? We are already talking about day 7 of 9. Just like D2 and D3 schools, D1 schools must calculate the risk/reward for how aggressive they recruit in those first 6 days and create secondary options during that time. Arguing that there should be no risk to those choices always strikes me as odd. As far as the IRL argument, if a D1 school ignores someone for 6 days you can’t think they would be believed when they tell a recruit it is true love.

The argument isn't that there should be no risk but that a DI talent would consider a DI school coming to the table late. Obviously, this isn't like IRL recruiting and I'm not suggesting that things should be changed to make it more like IRL. If a DI talent is only getting DII/III offers then it seems like they would consider a DI offer, regardless of when it occurs (another obvious consideration is that they are truly a DII/III talent). I'm not suggesting that a DI school should just be able to walk in and get the player with a scholly and phone calls b/c the player is slotted as DI. However, I think there should be some kind of a pause in the players decision making to see what the DI school brings to the table.

Ultimately, this probably only impacts a handful of recruits each cycle, so this is probably more of a peev of mine vs. some kind of serious flaw in recruiting.

While not DII vs DI, Ty Ty Washington is an interesting case study. Was originally committed to Creighton (I guess Very High Interest in HD) in the early cycle but decommitted and signed with UK in the late cycle.

While we are on minor things that don't really matter but rds would like to see changed - how about the ability to scout & recruit HS FR - JR? This would be a good time waster type addition to HD for when things are slow.

This would be so bad for D2. If a D1 coach wants to be able to take backups, they should plan accordingly and manage effort so they can make a move on the recruit. Taking over a team in RS2 shouldn’t be a free pass to poach recruits from D2 schools. They still have a great chance to steal late signing recruits anyways.

Let’s take a minute to consider that a LOT of people play lower divisions. A change like this would really hurt them.

I would consider myself a primarily low d1 coach, and I think this would be rough for the game and D2 coaches. The RS2 job change period is a bonus.

Posted by Wales_ on 5/25/2021 12:18:00 AM (view original):
This would be so bad for D2. If a D1 coach wants to be able to take backups, they should plan accordingly and manage effort so they can make a move on the recruit. Taking over a team in RS2 shouldn’t be a free pass to poach recruits from D2 schools. They still have a great chance to steal late signing recruits anyways.

Let’s take a minute to consider that a LOT of people play lower divisions. A change like this would really hurt them.

Agreed 100%.

It is very tough to unlock any players worth getting as a new DI coach. Making season one at a new job tough seems to be a feature of the existing scheme. Some ability to compete in RS2 would help there. I recognize that it needs to balance v D2 needs. Personally, I would give one 6 hour cycle IF there is DI effort.

Another suggestion that doesn't warrant a fix.

This is called signing preference.

the only reason D2 schools can do this, is because 22 cycles went by in RS1 that D1s were not interested. We can't blame the game for that. That's on the coaches.

Sure maybe it's not ideal for new D1 coaches that join a school in RS2, but that's not an "every season thing" for a coach.

Posted by topdogggbm on 5/27/2021 4:40:00 AM (view original):
This is called signing preference.

the only reason D2 schools can do this, is because 22 cycles went by in RS1 that D1s were not interested. We can't blame the game for that. That's on the coaches.

Sure maybe it's not ideal for new D1 coaches that join a school in RS2, but that's not an "every season thing" for a coach.

Except now combined with the "job" performance requirement WIS intends to implement, I switched to OSU which looks like the previous coach struck out on all his battles, leaving me with 6 openings and unable to even open up offers before they signed. I ended up with 4 mediocre recruits which will be stuck with me for multiple seasons thus likely making R32 in my first 4 seasons very difficult.

I don't really think that the recruits should even be labeled as D1 - 2 - 3. Some of the D1 labeled players are Terrible! To make some good recruits more available to D1 teams, HD should set more players up to quit if they are not getting the playing time at their current team.

do we think the existing system was designed to make it pretty much impossible for a DI job changing coach to recruit in RS2?