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1. Firing Logic (scrutiny for elite teams, minimum qualifications must be met to keep job)
2. RS2 introduce a twist in RS2 to allow talent infusion
3. New awards/accolades for coaches

I wonder what the "twist" is going to entail. More transfers? Newly generated recruits? The hits keep coming!

I’m also eager to see what the “new game rewrite” means. Is this a coding update?

Posted by mlitney on 8/6/2021 11:29:00 AM (view original):
WIS State Of The Union 8.5.21 - Critical News | WhatIfSports.com

Hoops Dynasty

1. Firing Logic (scrutiny for elite teams, minimum qualifications must be met to keep job)
2. RS2 introduce a twist in RS2 to allow talent infusion
3. New awards/accolades for coaches

I wonder what the "twist" is going to entail. More transfers? Newly generated recruits? The hits keep coming!

You can put attention points on players on other teams in hopes of getting them to transfer to you. But they have to sit out a year.

Edit: To be clear this is only a guess

Posted by mlitney on 8/6/2021 11:29:00 AM (view original):
WIS State Of The Union 8.5.21 - Critical News | WhatIfSports.com

Hoops Dynasty

1. Firing Logic (scrutiny for elite teams, minimum qualifications must be met to keep job)
2. RS2 introduce a twist in RS2 to allow talent infusion
3. New awards/accolades for coaches

I wonder what the "twist" is going to entail. More transfers? Newly generated recruits? The hits keep coming!

The exact meaning of "twist" is still being looked at but the idea is to try to make it so that it is easier to make recruiting efforts more impactful during this time. Particularly for coaches who are at a new school and didn't have an opportunity to recruit during the first cycle.

Posted by jholthus on 8/6/2021 12:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mlitney on 8/6/2021 11:29:00 AM (view original):
WIS State Of The Union 8.5.21 - Critical News | WhatIfSports.com

Hoops Dynasty

1. Firing Logic (scrutiny for elite teams, minimum qualifications must be met to keep job)
2. RS2 introduce a twist in RS2 to allow talent infusion
3. New awards/accolades for coaches

I wonder what the "twist" is going to entail. More transfers? Newly generated recruits? The hits keep coming!

The exact meaning of "twist" is still being looked at but the idea is to try to make it so that it is easier to make recruiting efforts more impactful during this time. Particularly for coaches who are at a new school and didn't have an opportunity to recruit during the first cycle.

Great, thanks for the update, and congratulations on the new job! There's seems to be a disconnect between making recruiting effort more impactful and infusing new talent. RS2 has been an issue for a long time so I'm glad its been looked at. Whichever route you decide to take with RS2, I'm sure you'll get a ton of user feedback haha.

i like the idea of making RS2 a more meaningful recruiting session. the lack of signing cycles at the beginning, to allow d1 teams - especially new ones but also existing one, to unlock players and meaningfully recruit them - i think is a big part of the problem. the recruits just sign too fast to reliably unlock even high priority targets. i would like to see d1 coaches given an opportunity to transition to backup options, before they start signing with d2 teams, and for new d1 coaches - and EE d1 coaches - to get a real shot at the quality LATE recruits.

the overall system is out of whack, but absent eliminating RS1, making RS2 a real session seems to be the best option we've got. seble was all about trying to emphasize recruiting, arguing that it was most folks' favorite part, and should be highlighted, not crammed into 3 days every 1-2 months. i think that is a reasonable stance, even if the end result we got is problematic. the RS1 part is seemingly actually pretty solid, but RS2 is mostly just miserable right now - if WIS really wants to highlight recruiting, i think beefing up RS2, perhaps with new players, but at least by making it a full session (with time to unlock players prior to signing), accomplishes that goal, while relieving a lot of the pain points in today's recruiting.

I'd like to see signing tendency play a part in this to help even the playing field for DII and DIII teams. If a guy is looking to sign late it makes sense that DI teams have a chance to unlock him before signings happen. If a guy was looking to sign Early/Whenever/End of 1, DIII has already had to wait until the beginning of RS2 (or longer for DI recruits) for them to consider signing. Having those guys wait around to make a signing decision if a DII or DIII team can get to H/VH feels like you're setting the lower divisions up for failure.

Alternatively generating DIII recruits who aren't garbage could help.

sorry for length! i too worry about the d2/d3 impact, but i think the current setup of d3 is way unbalanced already, being so hard on rookies due to the RS2 nature of high end d3 recruiting, and with the massively talented high end d3 teams (way higher than ever before) slaughtering newer coaches - i don't think d3 should be much focus. plus the d1 pop is what is going way up, its clear from the post-jobs movement that d1 is where most folks want to be, so i think adjusting for d1 has to be the priority.

IMO they could also generate more d2 and d3 recruits, and probably would be easier for them to generate more for all divisions, based on the unified nature of the recruit gen process... plus plenty d1 recruits go to d2/d3. with d2/d3 so highly talented on a historical basis, and perhaps even more talent getting created, i think giving d1 teams more time helps restore balance. IMO the competitive balance demands d1 teams get a bigger lead over d2/d3 teams - and that complaint comes up fairly regularly - virtually nobody suggests d2/d3 should be stronger vs d1.

i think they have to be very careful if they start messing with recruit generation, though - it is not an easy thing to tinker with, and one of the better improvements of 3.0 was lowering the talent level of top tier d1 teams, to allow more variation in teams and a wider band of competition, basically overall fixing the competitive balance at the top, which was out of whack. IMO, making higher d1 more competitive was the greatest achievement of 3.0 and one of the greatest balance adjustments in HD history. plus d2/d3 recruit gen changes have balance considerations, too.

last thing i'll say - adding medium caliber d1 talent is the way to go IMO - there are enough great and elite players already. so if adding, add some serviceable guys and a few good-but-not-great players to fill out the ranks, make it easier to fill out teams, get backup options. ideally, base the numbers on human pop (or human openings), to reflect the reality that more humans makes it more competitive. (today recruit gen is partly based on regional d1 openings, including sim openings - regional human openings would be ideal). or don't add players at all. or maybe just shift some to LATE. but i don't think adding a bunch of studs is a good idea.

a very small twist that could help - with low risk of unforeseen consequences - would be to make the first one or two cycles of RS2 effort opportunities without signings. That way a new coach - or someone coping with surprising EEs would have a chance to unlock recruits

would need to check that that change doesnt disrupt the rest of the RS2 timeline

I would do that twist first - because it should be a small easy change with limited ripple effects

the inability for a new coach at an A level prestige D1 program to even compete with a D2 in the second recruiting cycle is wrong in so many ways.
The no signings for a couple cycles would help here.

there also could be a few stud recruits that suddenly appear when they reclassify into this high school graduating class.
Memphis just signed the #1 recruit for 2022, and he will reclassify to 2021.
The 2022 #2 overall is also reclassifying into the 2021 class.

Posted by oldwarrior on 8/7/2021 2:14:00 PM (view original):
the inability for a new coach at an A level prestige D1 program to even compete with a D2 in the second recruiting cycle is wrong in so many ways.
The no signings for a couple cycles would help here.

there also could be a few stud recruits that suddenly appear when they reclassify into this high school graduating class.
Memphis just signed the #1 recruit for 2022, and he will reclassify to 2021.
The 2022 #2 overall is also reclassifying into the 2021 class.

I agree with you. I personally don't think that D2 and especially D3 teams should be able to sign top tier D1 talent, for the sake of realism. I remember at U Conn with an A+ prestige, fresh off a final 4 appearance, unlocking a good recruit in the second session after dealing with an EE. I unlocked him, and he said that he would be interested in a scholarship offer and a campus visit. But then minutes later he sent an email saying that as much as he'd like to play for U Conn, Kennesaw State was just too appealing. So, I never got a chance to offer a scholarship.

Maybe it will finally be the twist people want - cut recruits that have signed in RS1 and you dont want.

Yea I'll pass on the "help for D3". It's unpopular for current D3 coaches because they can build juggernaut teams, but D3 should be more about taking role players (aka crappy players that no coach wants in the current state of the game) and trying to build a successful team. And coach it well.

I realize that current D3 elites will throw fire bombs at me for this. But signing players that max at 500-ish overall, but have one or two good core skills, and times that by ALL D3 teams, and you end up with a fun competitive game. Compared to now where there's a handful of coaches that know how to build D1-esque teams and pounce on the rest.

I also believe that even the coaches that want some type of change to help D3 would eventually like this idea. It's essentially "taking a little off the top" to lessen the elite talent. Rather than helping the bottom get better. In the end it's the same thing

agree with doggg

Apparently I hit on a little bit of a touchy subject... To clarify I wasn't saying that we need changes to recruiting to help D3 coaches. My point as someone with a D1 and a D3 team was just that it feels to me like some of the proposed changes are being thought of from a D1 perspective and it might be a good idea to keep all divisions in mind, even if D1 is the main focus for changes.