Rule V Leg #73 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Padres won a recent world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined randomly after team selection is complete.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1972-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners. We use fifty seasons up to the present, so the first eligible year moves up every year as well.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1972-present).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1972 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in ten drafts)
11/8/2021 9:09 AM (edited)
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Rule V Player Draft Order (teams in RED selected in franchise draft)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 17 1146 1608 0.4161
2 D'backs 32 2406 2779 0.4640
3 Tigers 39 2997 3323 0.4742
4 Pirates 36 2778 3054 0.4763
5 White Sox 24 1855 2033 0.4771
6 Rockies 25 1937 2114 0.4782
7 Rangers 29 2267 2432 0.4824
8 Twins 44 3445 3685 0.4832
9 Brewers 39 3113 3209 0.4924
10 Marlins 31 2476 2548 0.4928
11 Angels 32 2557 2628 0.4932
12 Orioles 40 3202 3279 0.4941
13 Blue Jays 50 4037 4065 0.4983
14 Padres 40 3232 3249 0.4987
15 Red Sox 54 4365 4384 0.4989
16 Mariners 49 3968 3973 0.4997
17 Expos 54 4389 4362 0.5015
18 Phillies 48 3908 3871 0.5024
19 Cubs 44 3604 3524 0.5056
20 Indians 52 4268 4157 0.5066
21 Reds 44 3624 3505 0.5083
22 Royals 46 3792 3663 0.5087
23 Mets 49 4045 3894 0.5095
24 Braves 53 4399 4187 0.5123
25 Giants 48 3988 3791 0.5127
26 Cardinals 54 4522 4227 0.5169
27 Yankees 50 4223 3877 0.5214
28 Dodgers 53 4498 4090 0.5238
29 A's 53 4547 4041 0.5295
30 Astros 54 4651 4099 0.5315
11/10/2021 10:24 PM (edited)
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Rule V Franchise Draft (timed schedule TUESDAY 11/9)
  1. mrincubus* 63-99 .389 Oakland Athletics 7*
  2. ff09 64-98 .395 New York Yankees 23*
  3. alice 69-93 .426 Chicago Cubs 20*
  4. newarkwilder 70-92 .432 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals 6*
  5. deathdealer 70-92 .432 Colorado Rockies 12*
  6. specsman 76-86 .469 San Francisco Giants 13*
  7. tridentric 76-86 .469 Toronto Blue Jays 14*
  8. sakensei 77-85 .475 New York Mets 9*
  9. bigsteve12 79-83 .488 Los Angeles Angels 24*
  10. bob_shabazz 79-83 .488 Los Angeles Dodgers 4*
  11. Chisock 79-83 .488 Boston Red Sox 10*
  12. atheistdeals 81-81 .500 Chicago White Sox 18*
  13. tjefferson 81-81 .500 Philadelphia Phillies 11
  14. nordawg 81-81 .500 San Diego Padres 8*
  15. mussopini23 85-77 .525 Milwaukee Brewers 22
  16. buddhagamer 86-76 .531 Houston Astros 17*
  17. pumpkinmcp 88-74 .543^ Cleveland Guardians 1*
  18. captmurphy 89-73 .549^ St. Louis Cardinals 21*
  19. DoctorKz 92-70 .568^ Seattle Mariners 16*
  20. alleyviper 92-70 .568^ Cincinnati Reds 15*
  21. nyyfannova05 94-68 .580^ Atlanta Braves 2*
  22. sinfonian11 95-67 .586^ Tampa Bay Rays 3*
  23. rbow923 86-76 .531% Kansas City Royals 19*
  24. justinlee_24 92-70 .568$ Arizona Diamondbacks 5
* Third round keeper sent

* new owner
^ playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Divsion Alignment (random)
NL East: CLE, ATL, TBR, LAD
NL Central: ARI, MON, OAK, SDP
NL West: NYM, BOS, PHI, COL
AL East: SFG, TOR, CIN, SEA
AL Central: HOU, CHW, KCR, CHC
AL West: STL, MIL, NYY, LAA

Owner list for sitemailing: mrincubus; ff09; alice; newarkwilder; deathdealer; specsman; tridentric; sakensei; bigsteve12; bob_shabazz; Chisock; atheistdeals; tjefferson; nordawg; mussopini23; buddhagamer; pumpkinmcp; captmurphy; DoctorKz; alleyviper; nyyfannova05; sinfonian11; rbow923; justinlee_24
11/18/2021 9:59 AM (edited)
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Player Draft Round One (timed schedule begins MONDAY 11/15)
  1. sinfonian11 - TBR: Jason Giambi - OAK
  2. justinlee_24 - ARI: Kevin Brown - SDP
  3. atheistdeals - CHW: Orel Hershiser - LAD
  4. deathdealer - COL: Max Scherzer - MON/WSH
  5. mussopini23 - MIL: Gerrit Cole - HOU
  6. bigsteve12 - LAA: Kenny Lofton - CLE
  7. tridentric - TOR: Fernando Valenzuela - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  8. nordawg - SDP: Carlos Delgado - TOR
  9. Chisock - BOS: Craig Biggio - HOU (Astros off the board)
  10. DoctorKz - SEA: Johnny Cueto - CIN
  11. newarkwilder - MON/WSH: Matt Harvey - NYM
  12. tjefferson - PHI: John Olerud - TOR (Blue Jays off the board)
  13. alice - CHC: HHMNBN - CIN (Reds off the board)
  14. pumpkinmcp - CLE: Nomar Garciaparra - BOS
  15. alleyviper - CIN: Kevin Appier - KCR
  16. rbow923 - KCR: Jake Peavy - SDP (Padres off the board)
  17. sakensei - NYM: Fred Lynn - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  18. nyyfannova05 - ATL: Willie McGee - STL
  19. specsman - SFG: Billy Williams - CHC
  20. captmurphy - STL: Dave Righetti - NYY
  21. ff09 - NYY: TSMOPOAT - LAA
  22. bob_shabazz - LAD: Tim Raines - MON/WSH (Expo/Nats off the board)
  23. mrincubus - OAK: Bobby Murcer - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  24. buddhagamer - HOU: Jimmy Rollins - PHI
Rule V Player Draft Round Two (timed schedule begins WEDNESDAY 11/17)
  1. sinfonian11 - TBR: Kevin Brown - LAD
  2. justinlee_24 - ARI: Ellis Burks - COL
  3. atheistdeals - CHW: TSMOPOAT - HOU
  4. deathdealer - COL: Walker Buehler - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  5. mussopini23 - MIL: Alex Bregman - HOU (Astros off the board)
  6. bigsteve12 - LAA: Roger Nelson - KCR
  7. tridentric - TOR: Carlton Fisk - BOS
  8. nordawg - SDP: Robin Yount - MIL
  9. Chisock - BOS: Bobby Abreu - PHI
  10. DoctorKz - SEA: Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  11. newarkwilder - MON/WSH: Rickey Henderson - NYY
  12. tjefferson - PHI: Jim Edmonds - STL
  13. alice - CHC: Thurman Munson - NYY
  14. pumpkinmcp - CLE: Edgar Martinez - SEA
  15. alleyviper - CIN: Darrell Evans - ATL
  16. rbow923 - KCR: Jose Reyes - NYM
  17. sakensei - NYM: Jose Ramirez - CLE
  18. nyyfannova05 - ATL: Jared Weaver - LAA
  19. specsman - SFG: Joe Torre - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  20. captmurphy - STL: Kevin Mitchell - SFG
  21. ff09 - NYY: Lance Johnson - NYM (Mets off the board)
  22. bob_shabazz - LAD: Jim Thome - CLE (Guardians off the board)
  23. mrincubus - OAK: Robinson Cano - SEA (Mariners off the board)
  24. buddhagamer - HOU: Darrell Porter - KCR (Royals off the board)
Rule V Player Draft Round Three (timed schedule begins FRIDAY 11/19)
  1. sinfonian11 - TBR: Manny Ramirez - LAD
  2. justinlee_24 - ARI: Ozzie Smith - STL
  3. atheistdeals - CHW: Ryne Sandberg - CHC
  4. deathdealer - COL: BJ Ryan - TOR
  5. mussopini23 - MIL: Javy Lopez - ATL
  6. bigsteve12 - LAA: Zack Wheeler - PHI
  7. tridentric - TOR: Craig Kimbrel - ATL (Braves off the board)
  8. nordawg - SDP: Andy Messersmith - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  9. Chisock - BOS: Aroldis Chapman - CIN
  10. DoctorKz - SEA: David Wright - NYM
  11. newarkwilder - MON/WSH: Mark McGwire - OAK
  12. tjefferson - PHI: Fernando Tatis, Jr. - SDP
  13. alice - CHC: Edgar Renteria - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  14. pumpkinmcp - CLE: Gary Sheffield - SDP
  15. alleyviper - CIN: Zach Plesac - CLE
  16. rbow923 - KCR: Robinson Cano - NYY
  17. sakensei - NYM: Troy Glaus - LAA
  18. nyyfannova05 - ATL: Mariano Rivera - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  19. specsman - SFG: Rafael Soriano - SEA
  20. captmurphy - STL: Trevor Story - COL
  21. ff09 - NYY: Curt Schilling - PHI
  22. bob_shabazz - LAD: Bobby Grich - LAA (Angels off the board)
  23. mrincubus - OAK: Tyler Glasnow - TBR
  24. buddhagamer - HOU: JD Martinez - BOS
11/22/2021 7:49 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

sinfonian11 - TBR: Carlos Pena, Evan Longoria, Ben Zobrist, Blake Snell, Charlie Morton, Jason Giambi - OAK, Fernando Rodney, Kevin Brown - LAD, Jake McGee, Manny Ramirez - LAD,

justinlee_24 - ARI: Luis Gonzalez, Paul Goldschmidt, Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Zack Greinke, Kevin Brown - SDP, Ketel Marte, Ellis Burks - COL, Miguel Montero, Ozzie Smith - STL

atheistdeals - CHW: Dick Allen, Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Chris Sale, Dallas Keuchel, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Carlos Rodon, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Tim Anderson, Ryne Sandberg - CHC

deathdealer - COL: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Troy Tulowitski, Nolan Arenado, DJ LeMahieu, Max Scherzer - MON/WSH, Charlie Blackmon, Walker Buehler - LAD, Matt Holliday, BJ Ryan - TOR

mussopini23 - MIL: Christian Yelich, Ryan Braun, Ben Sheets, Teddy Higuera, Corbin Burnes, Gerrit Cole - HOU, Devin Williams, Alex Bregman - HOU, Paul Molitor, Javy Lopez - ATL

bigsteve12 - LAA: Frank Tanana, Mike Trout, Mark Texeira, Darin Erstad, Doug DeCinces, Kenny Lofton - CLE, Garrett Richards, Roger Nelson - KCR, Mike Witt, Zack Wheeler - PHI

tridentric - TOR: Vladimir Guerrero, Jr., Roger Clemens, Jose Bautista, Roberto Alomar, Tony Fernandez, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Roy Halladay, Carlton Fisk - BOS, Josh Donaldson, Craig Kimbrel - ATL

nordawg - SDP: Ken Caminiti, Tony Gwynn, Randy Jones, Dinelson Lamet, Trevor Hoffman, Carlos Delgado - TOR, Mike Adams, Robin Yount - MIL, Brian Giles, Andy Messersmith - LAD

Chisock - BOS: Wade Boggs, Mookie Betts, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, Craig Biggio - HOU, Chris Sale, Bobby Abreu - PHI, Jonathan Papelbon, Aroldis Chapman - CIN

DoctorKz - SEA: Felix Hernandez, Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Ichiro Suzuki, Johnny Cueto - CIN, Bret Boone, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, JJ Putz, David Wright - NYM

newarkwilder - MON/WSH: Pedro Martinez, Juan Soto, Bryce Harper, Trea Turner, Daniel Murphy, Matt Harvey - NYM, Anthony Rendon, Rickey Henderson - NYY, Stephen Strasburg, Mark McGwire - OAK

tjefferson - PHI: Steve Carlton, Aaron Nola, Bryce Harper, Mike Schmidt, Chase Utley, John Olerud - TOR, Darren Daulton, Jim Edmonds - STL, Ryan Howard, Fernando Tatis, Jr. - SDP

alice - CHC: Derrek Lee, Sammy Sosa, Yu Darvish, Greg Maddux, Jake Arrieta, HWMNBN - CIN, Carlos Zambrano, Thurman Munson - NYY, Bill Madlock, Edgar Renteria - STL

pumpkinmcp - CLE: Shane Bieber, Gaylord Perry, Corey Kluber, Albert Belle, Roberto Alomar, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Manny Ramirez, Edgar Martinez - SEA, Victor Martinez, Gary Sheffield - SDP

alleyviper - CIN: Joe Morgan, Joey Votto, Johnny Bench, Trevor Bauer, Tom Seaver, Kevin Appier - KCR, Barry Larkin, Darrell Evans - ATL, Eric Davis, Zach Plesac - CLE

rbow923 - KCR: Bret Saberhagen, Brad Keller, George Brett, Willie Wilson, Johnny Damon, Jake Peavy - SDP, David Cone, Jose Reyes - NYM, Jesse Hahn, Robinson Cano - NYY

sakensei - NYM: Mike Piazza, Jacob DeGrom, Pedro Martinez, Tom Seaver, Dwight Gooden, Fred Lynn - BOS, Howard Johnson, Jose Ramirez - CLE, Carlos Beltran, Troy Glaus - LAA

nyyfannova05 - ATL: Chipper Jones, Freddie Freeman, Marcell Ozuna, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Willie McGee - STL, Kevin Millwood, Jared Weaver - LAA, Gary Sheffield, Mariano Rivera - NYY

specsman - SFG: Buster Posey, Barry Bonds, Rich Aurilia, Jason Schmidt, Tim Lincecum, Billy Williams - CHC, Jeff Kent, Joe Torre - STL, Will Clark, Rafael Soriano - SEA

captmurphy - STL: Albert Pujols, Mark McGwire, Ted Simmons, John Tudor, Chris Carpenter, Dave Righetti - NYY, AFTBOAT, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Adam Wainwright, Trevor Story - COL

ff09 - NYY: Catfish Hunter, Ron Guidry, Derek Jeter, Paul O'Neill, Alex Rodriguez, TSMOPOAT - LAA, Bernie Williams, Lance Johnson - NYM, Jorge Posada, Curt Schilling - PHI

bob_shabazz - LAD: Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Don Sutton, Max Scherzer, Mike Piazza, Tim Raines - MON/WSH, Tony Gonsolin, Jim Thome - CLE, Trea Turner, Bobby Grich - LAA

mrincubus - OAK: Rickey Henderson, Marcus Semien, Mike Norris, Catfish Hunter, Tim Hudson, Bobby Murcer - NYY, Jose Canseco, Robinson Cano - SEA, Josh Donaldson, Tyler Glasnow - TBR

buddhagamer - HOU: Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Mike Scott, Justin Verlander, Roger Clemens, Jimmy Rollins - PHI, Jose Altuve, Darrell Porter - KCR, JR Richard, JD Martinez - BOS
11/20/2021 11:01 AM (edited)
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I won't be around this morning, so here is my proxy
1) NYY
2) Bosox
11/8/2021 7:17 AM
sinfonian11
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Thanks, ff09. I did hear from mrincubus via sitemail last night, so hopefully he'll pick shortly.
11/8/2021 8:04 AM
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Hi everyone, will have my pick in this morning. Thanks for having me.

Also feel free to call me Paul. Some usernames you pick when you're 16 don't age well
11/8/2021 8:25 AM
mrincubus
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I'll go with the Oakland Athletics because if the real Oakland doesn't want them anymore, by god I'll take them
11/8/2021 8:30 AM
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Posted by mrincubus on 11/8/2021 8:25:00 AM (view original):
Hi everyone, will have my pick in this morning. Thanks for having me.

Also feel free to call me Paul. Some usernames you pick when you're 16 don't age well
LOL. No worries, Paul. I'm sure there are a lot worse usernames out there.

And that means by proxy, ff09 picks the New York Yankees.
11/8/2021 8:34 AM
sinfonian11
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I sitemailed the next three owners. We'll draft untimed today. I'll throw up a timed schedule for tomorrow to finish up if needed.
11/8/2021 8:39 AM
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Sorry was not around
11/8/2021 4:08 PM
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I will take Expos/Nats
11/8/2021 4:17 PM
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It looks like we have ground to a halt
11/8/2021 7:58 PM
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This has never been a speed draft...
11/8/2021 8:35 PM
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