I am in Hoops Dynasty - Basketball and have a big question about recruiting
How can I have a 71% to 29% lead; have a B- Prestige compared to a D- Prestige; offered playing time and a Starting spot; and still lose a 4* Recruit?
Is recruiting fixed to favor whoever has spent more total money on the site???
Just got totally screwed recruiting. I was ahead 74% to 26%, Very High to High, B- to D+, promised minutes, 16 home visits. AND I still lost the recruit.
To hell with this site; tired of wasting time & money.

The reason you had a 71-29 lead was your prestige, your effort and prefs - and the effort and prefs of your opponent. He had an uphill but not impossible climb because of the prestige gap.

How much effort did you devote to the player - visits, promises?

In general, you will get the recruit about 71% of the time when you have a 71-29 lead. If you didnt max out visits and AP and promises, those were things you could have done to improve your odds

Posted by billg41850 on 3/9/2022 12:04:00 AM (view original):
I am in Hoops Dynasty - Basketball and have a big question about recruiting
How can I have a 71% to 29% lead; have a B- Prestige compared to a D- Prestige; offered playing time and a Starting spot; and still lose a 4* Recruit?
Is recruiting fixed to favor whoever has spent more total money on the site???

71-29 means that you had a 71% chance to win. All your effort/prestige is what got you to 71%. Because you had a 2 letter grade advantage this actually means the D- coach put seriously more effort in than you to make it that close. If you would have put the same amount of effort in with a 2 letter grade advantage you would have a 100% chance to win the recruit.

Did you put any $$$ into the guy? Or just start, minutes, ship?

And, no, recruiting is not fixed. You would have won that player 7 of out of 10 times, which is a good amount. But remember that a 70-30 will only have a different outcome than a 50-50 one out of every 5 times.

Posted by fd343ny on 3/9/2022 8:46:00 AM (view original):
The reason you had a 71-29 lead was your prestige, your effort and prefs - and the effort and prefs of your opponent. He had an uphill but not impossible climb because of the prestige gap.

How much effort did you devote to the player - visits, promises?

In general, you will get the recruit about 71% of the time when you have a 71-29 lead. If you didnt max out visits and AP and promises, those were things you could have done to improve your odds

5 home visits, 1 school visit, promised playing time AND a starting spot. I GOT SCREWED BY WIS

Posted by billg41850 on 3/9/2022 10:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 3/9/2022 8:46:00 AM (view original):
The reason you had a 71-29 lead was your prestige, your effort and prefs - and the effort and prefs of your opponent. He had an uphill but not impossible climb because of the prestige gap.

How much effort did you devote to the player - visits, promises?

In general, you will get the recruit about 71% of the time when you have a 71-29 lead. If you didnt max out visits and AP and promises, those were things you could have done to improve your odds

5 home visits, 1 school visit, promised playing time AND a starting spot. I GOT SCREWED BY WIS

5 HVs isn't very much to invest for a 4 star.

Posted by billg41850 on 3/9/2022 10:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 3/9/2022 8:46:00 AM (view original):
The reason you had a 71-29 lead was your prestige, your effort and prefs - and the effort and prefs of your opponent. He had an uphill but not impossible climb because of the prestige gap.

How much effort did you devote to the player - visits, promises?

In general, you will get the recruit about 71% of the time when you have a 71-29 lead. If you didnt max out visits and AP and promises, those were things you could have done to improve your odds

5 home visits, 1 school visit, promised playing time AND a starting spot. I GOT SCREWED BY WIS

LOL. You're gonna fit right in on these boards.

not to self, dont fear BU in Tark

actually, you screwed up in a big way. A few more HV and the other school would have likely gone to zero. Good chance he invested way more than you did - but your prestige got you to 71%. Likely - there are no absolutes - you screwed up by not investing a little more and wiping out the opponent

Consider it a nice learning opportunity.

Posted by fd343ny on 3/9/2022 12:21:00 PM (view original):
actually, you screwed up in a big way. A few more HV and the other school would have likely gone to zero. Good chance he invested way more than you did - but your prestige got you to 71%. Likely - there are no absolutes - you screwed up by not investing a little more and wiping out the opponent

Consider it a nice learning opportunity.

Next time I'll make more home visits; offer a new BMW and a couple of hookers.

Posted by billg41850 on 3/9/2022 10:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 3/9/2022 8:46:00 AM (view original):
The reason you had a 71-29 lead was your prestige, your effort and prefs - and the effort and prefs of your opponent. He had an uphill but not impossible climb because of the prestige gap.

How much effort did you devote to the player - visits, promises?

In general, you will get the recruit about 71% of the time when you have a 71-29 lead. If you didnt max out visits and AP and promises, those were things you could have done to improve your odds

5 home visits, 1 school visit, promised playing time AND a starting spot. I GOT SCREWED BY WIS

Well, the other guy probably put on 20 HVs and a CV. You needed to get closer to 20 HVs. I'm guessing 10-12 would have done it though because your prestige advantage was so big here. But I definitely don't consider 5 HVs very much effort at all.

If you're only ahead VH-H, it means you need to put more money on. You're only safe if it's VH-Moderate.

Posted by cubcub113 on 3/9/2022 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by billg41850 on 3/9/2022 10:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 3/9/2022 8:46:00 AM (view original):
The reason you had a 71-29 lead was your prestige, your effort and prefs - and the effort and prefs of your opponent. He had an uphill but not impossible climb because of the prestige gap.

How much effort did you devote to the player - visits, promises?

In general, you will get the recruit about 71% of the time when you have a 71-29 lead. If you didnt max out visits and AP and promises, those were things you could have done to improve your odds

5 home visits, 1 school visit, promised playing time AND a starting spot. I GOT SCREWED BY WIS

Well, the other guy probably put on 20 HVs and a CV. You needed to get closer to 20 HVs. I'm guessing 10-12 would have done it though because your prestige advantage was so big here. But I definitely don't consider 5 HVs very much effort at all.

If you're only ahead VH-H, it means you need to put more money on. You're only safe if it's VH-Moderate.

This is interesting to think about. Percentages aside, does effort carry more weight than prestige (at D1, I assume D2 and D3 have prestige weighted a lot more lightly)? How much does it matter WHEN the effort takes place, if at all? Are there any actions that show up in outcomes that aren't reflected in percentages?

12 would have done it for sure, assuming ok preferences and keeping up with AP. 10 probably would have been enough. Now if you fall behind in AP, or bad preferences, probably have to do another couple visits to make up for that.

Posted by ja_tbfl on 3/9/2022 6:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 3/9/2022 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by billg41850 on 3/9/2022 10:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 3/9/2022 8:46:00 AM (view original):
The reason you had a 71-29 lead was your prestige, your effort and prefs - and the effort and prefs of your opponent. He had an uphill but not impossible climb because of the prestige gap.

How much effort did you devote to the player - visits, promises?

In general, you will get the recruit about 71% of the time when you have a 71-29 lead. If you didnt max out visits and AP and promises, those were things you could have done to improve your odds

5 home visits, 1 school visit, promised playing time AND a starting spot. I GOT SCREWED BY WIS

Well, the other guy probably put on 20 HVs and a CV. You needed to get closer to 20 HVs. I'm guessing 10-12 would have done it though because your prestige advantage was so big here. But I definitely don't consider 5 HVs very much effort at all.

If you're only ahead VH-H, it means you need to put more money on. You're only safe if it's VH-Moderate.

This is interesting to think about. Percentages aside, does effort carry more weight than prestige (at D1, I assume D2 and D3 have prestige weighted a lot more lightly)? How much does it matter WHEN the effort takes place, if at all? Are there any actions that show up in outcomes that aren't reflected in percentages?

Of course effort holds more weight. You have to TRY! All the A+ teams can't just say "I'm A+ so I got this".

There's never going to be guidelines or borders that can be set (due to variance within the prestige grade, AP numbers, preferences, etc). But if an A+ and C+ school target a player and the A+ offers no visits or little visits, the C+ team can easily take the player by offering a bunch. I can't give you an exact example. But if a C+ team offers 8 HV or so, the A+ team won't even be in a roll. Would 7 HV or 9 HV tilt that? Yes. How far? I don't know. But recruiting is all relative. Meaning in a battle, it's effort score vs effort score. If one team doesn't really offer "real effort", then it's not a comparison

Posted by StillWaters on 3/9/2022 11:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by billg41850 on 3/9/2022 10:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 3/9/2022 8:46:00 AM (view original):
The reason you had a 71-29 lead was your prestige, your effort and prefs - and the effort and prefs of your opponent. He had an uphill but not impossible climb because of the prestige gap.

How much effort did you devote to the player - visits, promises?

In general, you will get the recruit about 71% of the time when you have a 71-29 lead. If you didnt max out visits and AP and promises, those were things you could have done to improve your odds

5 home visits, 1 school visit, promised playing time AND a starting spot. I GOT SCREWED BY WIS

LOL. You're gonna fit right in on these boards.

This made me laugh! And I kinda feel like we're being trolled in this thread as a whole