How does Promise Minutes work? Do they have to hit that mark every game? Just average it for the year? Get 80% of the minutes you promise? Thanks!

Never fall below the promised figure and you'll be okay.

Edited for clarity: Never let the average fall below the promise and you're always okay. Start 'em with some high minutes to give yourself some flexibility in conference games.

So if I promise 20, and he gets 21 in game 1 and 18 in game 2, there’s trouble? Or if he gets 25, 14, 21, 19, 20, etc and it works out to 20 minutes per game, he’s fine?

Or, conversely, if I promise 20 minutes per game for 26 regular season games and over the first 20 games he averages 30 minutes, does he have to play a minute the rest of the year because he will have clinched playing 20 minutes per game for the year.

It's an average but doesn't seem to take the full season into account, more like the last 5 or 6 games or so. If you hit 90% of what you promised you're good.

Fall below it once, get a complaint message, and make sure they get more minutes the next 5 games and you're fine. Fall below it twice during one season and...you're still probably fine? I've never had a guy leave and I get two complaints pretty frequently.

I'm still not clear on how foul outs factor in. They're not supposed to matter but it seems like when a guy fouls out in 9 minutes, that number is averaged into his complaint email when he says coach, I'm only playing 19 mintues a game!?! Maybe that's just window dressing.

That always bugs me. 'I'm only playing 19 minutes?!?'. Yes. You fouled out in the last 5 games. I can't break the rules to sneak you onto the court to satisfy your promise.

You don’t need to hit the full amount of the promised minutes. It varries per player… some are happy with hitting 80% of the promise. Others expect 90%.

The best way to gauge how your player feels about the promised time you gave him is checking his WE. If it’s growing, he’s satisfied.

Also, it’s an average. Say that through 10 games I have a player getting 21 mins when I only promised 20 and I decide to sit him out in game 11. The average goes down to 19.1 mins, over 95%, and he’s still happy.

Thank you everyone!

Posted by craigaltonw on 5/18/2022 4:00:00 PM (view original):
Also, it’s an average. Say that through 10 games I have a player getting 21 mins when I only promised 20 and I decide to sit him out in game 11. The average goes down to 19.1 mins, over 95%, and he’s still happy.

Most of 'em are still happy. The great majority.

Posted by Baums_away on 5/18/2022 12:53:00 PM (view original):
It's an average but doesn't seem to take the full season into account, more like the last 5 or 6 games or so. If you hit 90% of what you promised you're good.

Fall below it once, get a complaint message, and make sure they get more minutes the next 5 games and you're fine. Fall below it twice during one season and...you're still probably fine? I've never had a guy leave and I get two complaints pretty frequently.

I'm still not clear on how foul outs factor in. They're not supposed to matter but it seems like when a guy fouls out in 9 minutes, that number is averaged into his complaint email when he says coach, I'm only playing 19 mintues a game!?! Maybe that's just window dressing.

foul outs are taken out of the calculation, if they work against you, when the player decides whether to quit or not. but they are not taken out on the initial complaint. so if you have a guy on 20m promise, he plays 20m in game 1, then 10m foul out in game 2, and 22m foul out in game 3... then from the initial complaint perspective, the guy is going to average the 20, 10, and 22. (nobody complaints until after 7 games i think, but when he gets to 7 games and thinks about complaining, he is going to consider all 3 games). but then at the end of the year, or also i think for the 2nd complaint, it will discard that 10m game.

Posted by craigaltonw on 5/18/2022 3:55:00 PM (view original):
You don’t need to hit the full amount of the promised minutes. It varries per player… some are happy with hitting 80% of the promise. Others expect 90%.

The best way to gauge how your player feels about the promised time you gave him is checking his WE. If it’s growing, he’s satisfied.

i would personally not gauge off work ethic, i've had many guys with growing work ethic complain, and then their work ethic still is positive after the complaint. these were usually borderline cases, like it was easy to get them a couple extra minutes and get them back to happy, but i would not really consider that work ethic to be a great gauge. players don't complain the instant you drop under their limit (which is basically 80 or 90% of the promised total, at least most of the time), usually its like 2 games later, and they won't complain right at the start of the year. so that isn't perfect either, but i just go off of whether they are complaining or not. and i keep an eye on their minutes. pretty much everyone under 80% complains, just about everyone is happy with 90%, and in between is a mixed bag - so if you kinda keep an eye on that, you'll rarely be surprised.

and just to mention, that first complaint is really not a big deal. once you get a promised minutes complaint, you only have to meet the promise going forward from that complaint, to get the player happy. you do not have to play catch-up on the missed minutes.

Posted by gillispie on 5/19/2022 10:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by craigaltonw on 5/18/2022 3:55:00 PM (view original):
You don’t need to hit the full amount of the promised minutes. It varries per player… some are happy with hitting 80% of the promise. Others expect 90%.

The best way to gauge how your player feels about the promised time you gave him is checking his WE. If it’s growing, he’s satisfied.

i would personally not gauge off work ethic, i've had many guys with growing work ethic complain, and then their work ethic still is positive after the complaint. these were usually borderline cases, like it was easy to get them a couple extra minutes and get them back to happy, but i would not really consider that work ethic to be a great gauge. players don't complain the instant you drop under their limit (which is basically 80 or 90% of the promised total, at least most of the time), usually its like 2 games later, and they won't complain right at the start of the year. so that isn't perfect either, but i just go off of whether they are complaining or not. and i keep an eye on their minutes. pretty much everyone under 80% complains, just about everyone is happy with 90%, and in between is a mixed bag - so if you kinda keep an eye on that, you'll rarely be surprised.

and just to mention, that first complaint is really not a big deal. once you get a promised minutes complaint, you only have to meet the promise going forward from that complaint, to get the player happy. you do not have to play catch-up on the missed minutes.

So, just out of curiosity, since you said that you don’t have make up for missed minutes before the complaint, but rather just meet the promised minutes after the complaint, could you play a guy zero minutes the first 7 games and then meet his minutes the rest of the way and be fine?

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/19/2022 9:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie on 5/19/2022 10:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by craigaltonw on 5/18/2022 3:55:00 PM (view original):
You don’t need to hit the full amount of the promised minutes. It varries per player… some are happy with hitting 80% of the promise. Others expect 90%.

The best way to gauge how your player feels about the promised time you gave him is checking his WE. If it’s growing, he’s satisfied.

i would personally not gauge off work ethic, i've had many guys with growing work ethic complain, and then their work ethic still is positive after the complaint. these were usually borderline cases, like it was easy to get them a couple extra minutes and get them back to happy, but i would not really consider that work ethic to be a great gauge. players don't complain the instant you drop under their limit (which is basically 80 or 90% of the promised total, at least most of the time), usually its like 2 games later, and they won't complain right at the start of the year. so that isn't perfect either, but i just go off of whether they are complaining or not. and i keep an eye on their minutes. pretty much everyone under 80% complains, just about everyone is happy with 90%, and in between is a mixed bag - so if you kinda keep an eye on that, you'll rarely be surprised.

and just to mention, that first complaint is really not a big deal. once you get a promised minutes complaint, you only have to meet the promise going forward from that complaint, to get the player happy. you do not have to play catch-up on the missed minutes.

So, just out of curiosity, since you said that you don’t have make up for missed minutes before the complaint, but rather just meet the promised minutes after the complaint, could you play a guy zero minutes the first 7 games and then meet his minutes the rest of the way and be fine?

absolutely

Different question about minutes (not promised minutes).

It's my first season with a new team. JR is complaining about only getting 7 MPG. He was recruited by SIMAI before me.

Should I care if he leaves? Any hit to my reputation? If he transfers, do I get resources in RS2?

Or should I just bump his PT up enough to keep him happy so I have full recruiting resources next season when he's a SR?