1-a-day worlds last about 46-47 days.

We need the free first season back. I think people are interested in Hoops Dynasty, I'm just not sure they're even willing to pay 5 bucks for the first season without knowing what they're getting. I'm pretty sure that at least a few users would stick on for more seasons.

Quote: Originally posted by doomey on 2/11/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 2/11/2010I guess I am done here then. It just doesn't happen. A very very few coaches, possibly, but barely anyone plays for free. Props to lost for being able to do so but it just doesn't happen.

Enjoy the debate gentlemen I am out.

Seriously, z, listen to what is being said. Nobody is saying it happens NOW, it did happen and that is a fact. People can tell you they did it. Do you not believe them?

no, they're lying. i was there. i was deeply involved in the argument (thread) when reward points were taken away. VERY, i repeat, very few coaches were playing for free. It was 2-3 per division.

I haven't got a clue where you are getting your info from doomy. but i was there in the middle of it. and i checked all the worlds i was in. the line that "tons of coaches were playing for free" was BS. and i called out TK on it.

over 2 or 3 seasons. . . . . YES, many coaches will play for free. Sh*t, you win an NT and that almost three free seasons right there. But you need to look at it over 10 seasons. It is just too damn hard to play for free. How do you not see that?

In one NT here's how reward points are divided...

1 coach gets 5800
1 coach gets 4400
2 coaches get 3200
4 coaches get 2200
8 coaches get 1400
16 get 800
32 get 400


8 coaches get enough reward points for a free season.

yes. if you win the NT you can have a couple off seasons and still play for free. but only one guys wins. i mean crap, if you're so certain check the worlds you're in. . . .

Check "school records". then check the NT history of the winningest programs at DII and DIII. Very few of them will have histories where they played (or could have played) for free of a stretch of at least 8 seasons.

Quote: Originally posted by gw795 on 2/11/2010We need the free first season back. I think people are interested in Hoops Dynasty, I'm just not sure they're even willing to pay 5 bucks for the first season without knowing what they're getting. I'm pretty sure that at least a few users would stick on for more seasons.

cant have FREEHD with FSS. its an open door to cheating. but like i said. take away potential at DIII along with the ability to use FSS and you could revisit the idea of FREEHD

Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 2/11/2010To the first question - You can't really look. When I started (after reward points) the worlds were pretty full from what I remember. My conf was week and had only 4-6 coaches for a while. When FreeHD came every world was always full.


The second - Regular season for 2 a day world is 14 days. This doesn't include CT,NT. Regular seasons for 1 a day world is exactly 30 days. This again does not include CT/NT.

thanks. to the first answer - i actually can really look :) i wish somebody knew the answer to this though!

the only way i can really look is to know when the change happened, and how long each season is (thanks dalter for 46-47 days). i am thinking about 30 days for 2 a day world. but i still need to know when the change happened... i suppose freeHD would skew things but mostly only at d3 and i think that would be obvious. once my primary computer is up and running ill run the population per division... i still have the data on all the worlds but lost the computer to manipulate it with. wish i could go ahead and finally post the lists of all time streaks (nt appearances, sweet 16s, etc) but sadly all of that is on a backup disk now :(

gil the answer to your question is in the FAQ somewhere.

gil, you could possibly use the archive website to find when reward points were slashed as well.

reward points were cut in Nov/Dec of '06

1-a-days are 52 days long
2-a-days are 34 days long

give me a +or- of 1, though

thanks mrpolo! if you could also share your secrets on posting data here in tables, it would be much appreciated :) like on your all time rpi list... i am about to post something, and well, you'll see why i wish i could put it in tables =(

but there wasn't a huge exodus. those of us that had tons of teams, we slowly tapered them off.


over the course of say 5 seasons. many coaches dropped a few teams.

i'm no CPU expert. i just use IE when i need to post a chart that i keep from excel

dalter, I'm not saying it to be negative to other coaches, I'm saying it for two reasons. One is because it isn't the same game at the lower levels for a multitude of reasons and the higher level of competition and complexity should be rewarded and two, because I believe it would benefit the health of the game to have motivation for upward movement. It's nice to have those dynasties, but the mere fact that they exist can turn off new players as much as any other factor. Seeing a certain set of coaches entrenched at the upper echelons of D3 can be as intimidating as it can be helpful. I'm not saying those dynasties shouldn't exist, I'm just saying rewarding them equally for not moving up to the next level seems counter to what is built as a progressionary game (even if it isn't stated, it is implicit by how the game was built). Nor am I saying it should be as it is, I just said I'm fine with the rewards being less than D1, I agree they should be higher than they are with regression.

mrpolo, I never said it was rampant, but we both know that there were a group of coaches for which that applied, people who ended up with a stockpile of rewards. It wasn't spread out, and that was problem. I never said it was a multitude, but I tend to believe it was enough to make tk reconcider the model, regardless of the official line. I doubt he expected people to stay at the lower divisions and gain all those reward points in a game that was built with progression in mind.

z, it just occured to me that you weren't playing HD when this was going down, were you? Or just transitioning to playing it with GD? Correct me if I'm wrong, but maybe that is why you don't remember the discussions at the time as well? Just asking.

It would be interesting to see what the exodus really entailed statisticly, but it would be a bear to sort out with all the freeHD players coming and going. I suppose you'd just track coaches that played over x many seasons that and compare it to how many did so after at least x seasons prior to the change. I'm guessing that it probably isn't as large as we think, but I could very well be wrong. I do think we lost some vets that WERE playing many worlds because of the reduced cost with their lower division dynasties, so take them as their own subset and compare the numbers without them and I wonder if the "average" non-D3/2 dynasty movement is that much differant? I'm not saying it is, I'm just wondering.

Of course you also have to factor in the economic downturn and the reduction of users discressionary spending on a game. That's going to skew the numbers as much as anything. 2006 was a differant beast than late 2007 and on...

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Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 2/10/2010 Unless you are Or/gil/lost

Even they can not do it every single year. Coaches don't play for free. It just doesn't happen and any of those that come anywhere close have spent tons of money

I know some one who had enough reward points for over 80 season!!!!!! I saw it with my own eyes. so yes it does happen

Quote: Originally Posted By damon_h1992 on 2/11/2010I think your getting screwed. I love how this game is called hoops dynasty...It should be called D1 Dynasty because the people in charge don't want you to build a dynasty at D2 and D3.

when you were a kid did you play the first board of Super Mario Borthers over and over again or did you move on to the next level?