All Wins over All Losses Revisited Topic

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Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 3/05/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/05/2010
It was incomplete...I don't know why you're still kavetching when I made the switch...unreal.
time for a debate about whether it is spelled "kavetching" or "kvetching" ??

kidding



It's kvetching.
3/5/2010 7:49 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/02/2010Just wanted to chime in about a topic that a few/many of you went ape over and that was the fact that I rate all wins higher than all losses, now that the college basketball regular season is nearly complete.I have 13-14 Georgia ranked 87th and would you care to guess where I have 26-5 Coastal Carolina ranked?........115thAnd this isn't the only instance where a team with more wins/a higher win percentage is ranked lower than a low win/win% team in BPI.Just goes to show you, I told you SOS would work everything out and it did and it does, and I wanted to point that out to those of you that think its dumb to rate ALL wins above ALL losses.


so basically your system is identical to the real life RPI rating. since we currently use that here in HD, how does your system better this game?
3/5/2010 8:01 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 3/05/2010Just interested in seeing you once, on anything at all, just flat out admit you were wrong. Are you even CAPABLE?
You obviously haven't read well enough then, because I have and always will/do admit when I'm wrong. The fact that you choose not to see/read it isn't my problem.
3/5/2010 9:31 PM
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3/5/2010 9:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 3/05/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/05/2010
It was incomplete...I don't know why you're still kavetching when I made the switch...unreal.
time for a debate about whether it is spelled "kavetching" or "kvetching" ??

kidding



Lol, wanted to use a tamer word than ********, which is ironic now, but kavetching/kvetching may or may not be wrong...I honestly don't know, I'm not that familiar with the word. If I spelled it wrong, I'm sorry.
3/5/2010 9:34 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jetwildcat on 3/05/2010
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/05/2010 It was incomplete...I don't know why you're still kavetching when I made the switch...unreal.
colonels just admit you were wrong here. be a man and admit you were wrong. as your mentor its my job to guide you here, TRUST MY WISDO
If I added OF AMERICA to the end of that statement, does it work or not?
3/5/2010 9:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dcy0827 on 3/05/2010
Colonels, serious question. How come anyone disagrees with you for more than a couple of posts, you accuse them of going into "hater" mode? Isn't that kind of childish and just an excuse for you to use later, "they're all haters"? Its deeper than that really. There are a fair amount of guys on here that only pay attention to their opinions and I understand that coming from me that this is ironic to those that don't know my complete history of accepting criticism on this site. Guys like zhawks, dalter, and aintheb all wait for the chance for me to say something borderline "stupid" in their mind so they can jump on it. We really griped about U.S. States v. United States for multiple pages...I mean give me a break. There are literally people on here that just want to argue with me about nothing...its all about pinpointing who those folks are and those that aren't.

I mean, for real bro, how old are you exactly? The "hater" mode part would lead me to believe that you're definitely of the MTV-generation...... You need to revisit some old threads to familiarize yourself with what's gone on here, because one current thread isn't going to tell you the entire story of what's gone on here. I have HATERS, its plain and simple.

3/5/2010 9:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 3/05/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 3/05/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/05/2010
It was incomplete...I don't know why you're still kavetching when I made the switch...unreal.
time for a debate about whether it is spelled "kavetching" or "kvetching" ??

kidding




It's kvetching.
I'm sorry...I'll be sure to pinpoint all of the spelling errors from here on in....
3/5/2010 9:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 3/05/2010
so basically your system is identical to the real life RPI rating. since we currently use that here in HD, how does your system better this game?
That's not even close to being the case, and if you're basing that opinion after looking at 2 teams that I've ranked out of 347, I would ask you to view my rankings in their entirety.

My system will never be used here, but it is better/more solid than anything in this game currently, because it puts a premium on winning AND it looks at SOS on an individual game basis, not some conglomerated number of opponents and opp opp schedules.

If you can't see how my rankings are better than the RPI, then you simply aren't analyzing it/them close enough.
3/5/2010 9:44 PM
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our RPI is calculated the same as in real life.

So what you're saying is that your rankings are better than real life RPI.
3/5/2010 9:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 3/05/2010our RPI is calculated the same as in real life. I'm not really sure why you brought this up because I've understood that from the get go.

So what you're saying is that your rankings are better than real life RPI. Short answer, yes.
3/5/2010 9:57 PM
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3/5/2010 10:38 PM
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Say.....

Coppin St eeks out a 1pt win vs Alcorn St

Kansas St loses by 1pt to Syracuse.

Nice job Coppin State!!! You suck K-State!!

you are saying that the win by Coppin St counts more. awesome system! sign me up!
3/5/2010 10:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/05/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By dcy0827 on 3/05/2010

Colonels, serious question. How come anyone disagrees with you for more than a couple of posts, you accuse them of going into "hater" mode? Isn't that kind of childish and just an excuse for you to use later, "they're all haters"? Its deeper than that really. There are a fair amount of guys on here that only pay attention to their opinions and I understand that coming from me that this is ironic to those that don't know my complete history of accepting criticism on this site. Guys like zhawks, dalter, and aintheb all wait for the chance for me to say something borderline "stupid" in their mind so they can jump on it. We really griped about U.S. States v. United States for multiple pages...I mean give me a break. There are literally people on here that just want to argue with me about nothing...its all about pinpointing who those folks are and those that aren't.

I mean, for real bro, how old are you exactly? The "hater" mode part would lead me to believe that you're definitely of the MTV-generation...... You need to revisit some old threads to familiarize yourself with what's gone on here, because one current thread isn't going to tell you the entire story of what's gone on here. I have HATERS, its plain and simple.



Believe me, I've followed ALL these threads and even contributed to some of them. And from following all the threads, yes, I would agree that you received some undue criticism, but I would also agree that you've dished out your fair amount of insults and jabs and brought some of it onto yourself.

I mean, damn, the 50/50 debate went on for how many pages before you finally realized how stupid your argument was and then after you had done some name calling and insulting of your own? It's not all one sided Trevor, you've contributed your share of "hating" yourself. Calling people "ignorant" or "boobs" or "close minded" because they don't agree/like your rating system is a form of "hating" in and of itself. You went out of your way in one thread to dog a user about accessing the site from work. That's not a form of "hating" on him? None of YOUR business really, but you just had to throw your two cents in, right? You seem like an intelligent enough guy, you can comprehend that, right?

And as far as "pinpointing" those guys, what's the point exactly? To prove that you won't back down? Who cares, it's an online forums for Pete's sake. Who cares if you won't back down, it's not proving anything to anyone, except that you ALSO like to argue. And to call someone "close minded" is really calling the kettle black. You will not except anyone not agreeing with your rating system as anything other than "close minded". See the irony in that?

I mean, damn, you went so far in one of your threads to suggest that the NCAA tournament should pick their teams based on YOUR ratings. Talk about arrogant, and yet you don't seem to have the first clue as to why someone would want to respond negatively to a statement like that.

One last thing. I'm fairly certain that Dalter, Zhawks, and A in the B have just a few more things that are more important in their life than sitting around with baited breath waiting for you to post, so they can come in here and jump on your comment. Hate to break this to you bro, but the universe doesn't revolve around Trevor.......
3/5/2010 11:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 3/05/2010Say.....

Coppin St eeks out a 1pt win vs Alcorn St

Kansas St loses by 1pt to Syracuse.

Nice job Coppin State!!! You suck K-State!!

you are saying that the win by Coppin St counts more. awesome system! sign me up
If teams played 1 game seasons, I think you'd have a valid argument here. For what its worth, Coppin State's win would be the worst win of all wins out there and Kansas State's loss to Syracuse would be the best loss of all losses.

Like I've said before, my biggest problem with rating a loss ahead of a win is determining success by something other than the win and the loss, when the ultimate success of ANY game is a WIN. Once you start rating losses ahead of wins, you start undermining the purpose of competition which is to determine WINNERS and LOSERS and I think it gets to be a very muddy situation when you consider where the cutoff point is...is it the top 10 teams? 50? 100? 150? Its a slippery slope of madness IMO when you reward failure over success. I've ranked teams both ways and under ZERO circumstances could I ever see myself going back to rating some losses over some wins for the aforementioned reasons.

I would, will, and do argue that the first post of this thread, along with the various other examples in my rankings show that a ranking system designed like this can and does work, and that the team with the most wins isn't automatically going to be rated high, which is what I think many of my critics "feared" would happen with the onset of my original statement. I believe in this concept so much that I would take on any and all comers that doubt the execution or the logic/premise that I base it on. Its a sound, logical concept that has proven to work. 1 game out of 30-35 isn't the entire season.
3/5/2010 11:12 PM
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