Posted by gillispie1 on 2/18/2014 9:03:00 PM (view original):
not really true, but i can see why you see it that way. just because i continue a discussion past a post or two doesn't mean i expect people to agree with me. often the discussions here are about subjects where everyone opens with, im not really sure, but here's what i think, and those are some of the best. i partake in those all the time. i do struggle to give up the fight when i think the other person is not really paying attention just wants to soapbox... but i don't really consider that a legitimate debate.

I'm just busting your balls, I'm pretty much the exact same way for the most part.

Posted by asher413 on 2/18/2014 9:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/18/2014 12:03:00 PM (view original):
You're saying Bellamy is the 5th best big on my team? I dunno about that...but I doubt long term that he is one at all. 

A couple coaches I've talked with backchannel think he's going to be pretty good. I guess we'll see, maybe.

Sorry for the lack of clarity- I have him as your best, but on my last team (1st round NT caliber) he would've been the #5 big.  He should be good if he has some high-high potentials.

I'm not under any illusion that we weren't an NT team last year. :)

I'm guessing he ends up somewhere around 65A, 55R, 58D, 75LP, ???BLK, ???PE (both still blue)

etta, you know what dropdowns and pulldowns are? im guessing you only recruited out of the d3 pool, right... well if so, that may explain why you are struggling to find guys with NT talent. its hard but if you really study up on your dropdowns and pulldowns, you can have a really good recruiting class even with a c- prestige. i know of a few guys who had top 5 classes in their first 3 seasons, with c- to c+ prestige in d3. again... not easy. harder today than in the olden days, too, but don't let that prestige get you down. also i don't know if you are willing to take walkons, to shoot for some studs, but you should be.

You're telling me that Bellamy at his peak will struggle to be NT quality at SF?

I still think you all are severely underrating my recruiting class. Gotta remember that they've been artificially shackled.

Charles Bellamy (http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2660817)

Could Bellamy play - *maybe* start - on a team that makes it to the NT? Absolutely. Would he be an asset, someone who helped a NT team? Eh.

He doesn't completely suck at anything, but he's also not really good at anything (unless the PER explodes) and - in my experience - those sort of players don't contribute as much as those that excel in some facet of the game.

And as a SF? No. Slightly weak rebounding PF? Maybe. But as a SF he's too slow and would be a turnover machine.

Yep, another one of my guys that this board has down as clearly terrible.

I guess we'll see in a few years when the shackles are taken off.

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/19/2014 1:44:00 AM (view original):
Yep, another one of my guys that this board has down as clearly terrible.

I guess we'll see in a few years when the shackles are taken off.

Your reading comprehension is severely lacking if you think that says he is "clearly terrible."

"He doesn't completely suck at anything" is quite the endorsement.

So he can't play SF and he can't play PF and he's not completely awful in your opinion.

Shrug...not sure why I expected anything else.

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/19/2014 2:00:00 AM (view original):
"He doesn't completely suck at anything" is quite the endorsement.

So he can't play SF and he can't play PF and he's not completely awful in your opinion.

Shrug...not sure why I expected anything else.

I'm not sure why I did either.

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/19/2014 1:44:00 AM (view original):
Yep, another one of my guys that this board has down as clearly terrible.

I guess we'll see in a few years when the shackles are taken off.

Guess that means you'll be playing past next season then.  Strange, for someone who hates the game so much.

Posted by zbrent716 on 2/19/2014 2:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/19/2014 2:00:00 AM (view original):
"He doesn't completely suck at anything" is quite the endorsement.

So he can't play SF and he can't play PF and he's not completely awful in your opinion.

Shrug...not sure why I expected anything else.

I'm not sure why I did either.

zbrent, plenty of people have tried in all honesty to help over the past few weeks, but at some point futility always rears it's ugly head.

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/19/2014 1:28:00 AM (view original):
You're telling me that Bellamy at his peak will struggle to be NT quality at SF?

I still think you all are severely underrating my recruiting class. Gotta remember that they've been artificially shackled.

you totally missed the point. some of your guys aren't bad, but none of them are the kind of guys you'd want to lead a NT bound team. however, that wasn't the thrust of my post at all! for a first class, you did fine, but obviously there is room for improvement, yes? the point was simple - there are some not-obvious aspects of recruiting (such as dropdowns and pulldowns) that really open up the kind of players available to you. your prestige is a limiter, but its also possible recruiting mechanics are limiting you... they might be causing you to not consider all the players available to you - you know, like they do for every other coach in the game who wasn't brought in to HD by a mentor who explained these things ahead of time. 

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/19/2014 1:28:00 AM (view original):
You're telling me that Bellamy at his peak will struggle to be NT quality at SF?

I still think you all are severely underrating my recruiting class. Gotta remember that they've been artificially shackled.

A 30 speed, 55 DEF SF is a defensive liability on a NT team.

He should be able to score effeciently but he's a - on defense.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/19/2014 10:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/19/2014 1:28:00 AM (view original):
You're telling me that Bellamy at his peak will struggle to be NT quality at SF?

I still think you all are severely underrating my recruiting class. Gotta remember that they've been artificially shackled.

A 30 speed, 55 DEF SF is a defensive liability on a NT team.

He should be able to score effeciently but he's a - on defense.

Doesn't seem like it based on what my conference looks like. Maybe it would be if I actually got into the NT, but that would be a nice problem to have.