Posted by silentpadna on 9/27/2011 12:46:00 PM (view original):
Nice change of direction. You implied in your post that conservatives wan't to de-regulate everything ("Thats a great idea, lets de-regulate everything completely (in the States only) and see the parties that big business have. Then watch.....").
I called you out on your strawman.
You decide to construct a new one ("they simply cant be trusted with the welfare of the entire human species") instead. You don't trust corporations as far as you can throw them, but you, your family, and your government depend on them every day. You don't have roads because the government wants them. You have roads because the government wants them and there are corporations capable of building them efficiently. You don't have defense because the government wants it. You have defense because your government wants it and there are corporations capable of serving that need efficiently. You don't have abundant anything without the means to have that anything delivered efficiently by people (many of whom incorporate) who are capable of filling the market need.
Conservatives don't trust the welfare of the human species to corporations. They simply believe in free market principles. When government gets in the way of that, you have economies that can't get out of their own way trying to grow. Regulation needed? Of course. Conservatives want none? Hardly. Even the Constitution here provides power for the government to regulate.
You would go a lot further in a rational discussion of you didn't assume another's point of view.
So you have an irrational hate for corporations? Good on ya. Don't use them for anything. See how far that takes you. I don't imagine I'd see another post from you if you did considering your computer is built by a corporation (if not, then I'm sure the electronics on the inside are built by a corporation), the cord and plug are built by a corporation, your monitor (if it's separate) is built by a corporation, the shipping company that distributed it to your place or purchase is likely a corporation, the company that built your bicycle is probably a corporation, the company that provided tires for your bicycle is probably a corporation, the maker of the light in your room is probably a corporation, the message boards you post on are provided by a corporation - all them with people at many different levels using talents to better themselves and their families.
Do some corporations behave psychotically? Can't argue that. Does that mean we shouldn't have any? If so, make your point.
If you can cite a (real mainstream) conservative that believes in zero regulation of any kind, you're welcome to show you have a clue what you're talking about.
I didnt mean to imply that all conservatives want all regulations to be thrown out with the diapers. But in general conservatives want a lot less regulation, they believe that the free market should run everything. Obviously with the proof of the 2008 meltdown that sort of thing just doesnt work. The majority of the west was screwed big time because they allowed their banks and insurance companies do nearly anything they wanted to do. Meanwhile certain smarter countries say for instance Canada (who has much more regulations in place for these types of things) faired much better.
Corporations fill a need for us. But are you saying that they are the only way to fill that need? How about worker owned co-ops? There are lots of them in N America, and more of them popping up everyday. Thats a legitimate way to provide most of the services and products that we could possibly need in our day to day lives. But in terms of those other services that a corporations setup still makes the most sense I advocate that regulations are desperately needed to protect all of us. You can go ahead and believe whatever you want to, this is what I believe.
I dont believe that there are any mainstream cons out there that believe absolutely zero regulation is the way to go, but as close to zero as humanly possible seems to be what the talking heads on Faux news are always screaming for.