Posted by crazystengel on 10/27/2011 9:32:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, because obviously if your beef is that both parties are in the pocket of Wall Street/corporate donors, then of course the solution is to vote for one of those parties.  That's how democracy works!

Posted by crazystengel on 10/28/2011 12:45:00 PM (view original):
You guys have the reasoning skills of an infant with a fever.  Okay, it's a failed hippie movement.  Scott Olsen is a failed hippie.  Keep watching your Fox News, you 21st century Archie Bunkers. 

Another well-thought-out and insightful contribution to this discussion.  With the obligitory reference to Fox News.

Posted by tecwrg on 10/27/2011 10:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by crazystengel on 10/27/2011 9:32:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, because obviously if your beef is that both parties are in the pocket of Wall Street/corporate donors, then of course the solution is to vote for one of those parties.  That's how democracy works!

There are more than two parties.  Nobody really takes the others seriously because they're generally regarded as fringe, but if these kooks really want to send a message, and do it the right way, they would do it at the polls.

They need to organize politically, and if they truly feel that they represent "the 99%" as they say they do, they should be able to make an impact.

But unless they do, they'll just go down as a footnote in history as the failed hippie movement of 2011.

It's hard to communicate a cohesive message when the media isn't talking to the people in the movement who can communicate a cohesive message.  The hope is that eventually when it gets too cold they will go away and their grievances will not have to be addressed.  It is why they focus on the grungy hippies and the tatics in Oakland and keep saying we don't know what they want.  Both sides of the political spectrum want to keep their hands in the corporate cookie jar as long as they can.  They want the dollars from commercials and contributions, they don't want the people's change.
 

Posted by jonas1102 on 10/28/2011 8:07:00 PM (view original):

It's hard to communicate a cohesive message when the media isn't talking to the people in the movement who can communicate a cohesive message.  The hope is that eventually when it gets too cold they will go away and their grievances will not have to be addressed.  It is why they focus on the grungy hippies and the tatics in Oakland and keep saying we don't know what they want.  Both sides of the political spectrum want to keep their hands in the corporate cookie jar as long as they can.  They want the dollars from commercials and contributions, they don't want the people's change.
 

Posted by meanceprimea on 10/27/2011 7:41:00 PM (view original):
I find it interesting that for 50 yrs now we, as a society, have pushed God and morality out of the equation, calling for the notion that the individual should be allowed to live by their own value system. 

When people have no actual basis for morality, obviously greed and corruption will run rampant. What's to stop it?

If their is no standard, then how can we "judge" those who are greedy and corrupt?
If Darwinism is preferred, and actually promoted for a half a century,  over Godly values that the country was founded on, then only the few will survive and prosper. Survival of the fittest right?

As Moy said, these people in many instances have broken no laws.
They are certainly guilty of having little to no morality in my eyes, but I can't impose my belief system on anyone else so, you get what you ask for.
Now the 99% are angry with the people in power for having no moral compass...

Posted by gridguru on 10/31/2011 5:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by meanceprimea on 10/27/2011 7:41:00 PM (view original):
I find it interesting that for 50 yrs now we, as a society, have pushed God and morality out of the equation, calling for the notion that the individual should be allowed to live by their own value system. 

When people have no actual basis for morality, obviously greed and corruption will run rampant. What's to stop it?

If their is no standard, then how can we "judge" those who are greedy and corrupt?
If Darwinism is preferred, and actually promoted for a half a century,  over Godly values that the country was founded on, then only the few will survive and prosper. Survival of the fittest right?

As Moy said, these people in many instances have broken no laws.
They are certainly guilty of having little to no morality in my eyes, but I can't impose my belief system on anyone else so, you get what you ask for.
Now the 99% are angry with the people in power for having no moral compass...

God does not equal morality. Morality is a state of mind. Atheists are at least as likely to behave morally as the religious.