_jwillis, I should dagger Lou Whitaker's double play combo mate Alan Trammell. It would make you take a worse SS and maybe take a spot away from your Met's Pitchers. However, it came down to OFs Steve Kemp, Ron LeFlore and Aurelio Lopez. It's your pitching that will be your strength though, so I'll dip into that. say goodbye to Aurelio Lopez.

jstephen25 May Dagger the 1979 Toronto Blue Jays

Posted by redcped on 8/8/2024 1:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by midknight on 8/7/2024 4:29:00 PM (view original):
redceped - for the 2nd dagger of my Mantleless ship of fools, take your best shot at the 1969 Chicago White Sox.

Challenge accepted, midknight!

So let's start with White Sox pitching. They've got a handful of middling relievers. I can't hurt you by taking any of them away. They have a couple SP who have had much better seasons in Horlen and John, and you might well have to use one of them because you aren't deep in rotation arms. But I'm not going to dagger guys with ERC# approaching 4.00.

Among hitters, the only places a White Sox player looks like someone you'd really want to use are at 3B with Bill Melton and in your much-weakened OF with Carlos May. The other best uses for White Sox, just as we see now in 2024, are hard to find. There's none I could take away who create a position without a cheap backup either. You did well to protect your other teams in that regard.

It seems to me the guy you'd miss the most is Carlos May. This will remove your top two offensive outfielders, and the dropoff is pretty significant. I really hope he isn't your second favorite player of all time. I'd feel a little bad. Just a little, though.

Touche. Not my second favorite player but always liked the guy after he lost half of his thumb while serving in the Marine reserves during Viet Nam. Now I'll need to use one of the best ever nick names to take May's place: "No Neck."

jpeterso's second dagger

Hmmm

I figure you're going to use your outfield 4 and 5 spots and three bullpen spots from this team. The backup outfielders could be any of 4 different guys so no use trying to guess which.

The three bullpen pitchers are all about the same, usable but not really wanted.

The obvious choice is Arky Vaughn, the Hall of Fame shortstop, but you also have Travis Jackson who is pretty much an exact replica. Vaughn has a WAR of 5.7 and Jackson is 5.9. Vaughn costs 6.5 million to Jackson's 6.9 million. I don't think it's worth forcing one over the other although rostering Jackson does take up a Giant roster space and I think it may be hard getting down to 7 Giants. I looked at it and it's not too hard though.

So where does that leave us?

The only place I can be assured of hurting your team is pretty pathetic, but that's where we are so I'm going to double down on the first dagger who took away your best 2B Davey Johnson. That left you with a pretty crappy platoon at 2B. I'm going to throw the dagger at the better (relatively) part of the 2B platoon and dagger Pep Young (2B) 1939 Pirates

Now back to trying version 37 of my roster as the first 36 versions didn't work. Excellent dagger work BTW guys.

I love watching the daggers fly. I should assemble a spreadsheet with every team so I can decide how I feel about every dagger.

a babe, a bench and 2 69's	total salary:	$79,783,330
29 yankees	6
Ruth, Babe	1929 New York Yankees	$8,562,422
Gehrig, Lou	1929 New York Yankees	$7,135,552
Pipgras, George	1929 New York Yankees	$4,943,411
Pennock, Herb	1929 New York Yankees	$2,891,450
Paschal, Ben	1929 New York Yankees	$326,879
Grabowski, Johnny	1929 New York Yankees	$202,106
69 red sox	6
Petrocelli, Rico	1969 Boston Red Sox	$9,110,922
Culp, Ray	1969 Boston Red Sox	$5,557,981
Scott, George	1969 Boston Red Sox	$3,722,714
Schofield, Dick	1969 Boston Red Sox	$2,086,910
Landis, Bill	1969 Boston Red Sox	$1,318,041
Conigliaro, Billy	1969 Boston Red Sox	$758,073
69 expos	6
Wegener, Mike	1969 Montreal Expos	$3,740,071
McGinn, Dan	1969 Montreal Expos	$2,800,987
Fairly, Ron	1969 Montreal Expos	$1,881,789
Renko, Steve	1969 Montreal Expos	$1,846,905
Wills, Maury	1969 Montreal Expos	$1,000,703
Sembera, Carroll	1969 Montreal Expos	$575,002
79 reds	7
Bench, Johnny	1979 Cincinnati Reds	$4,989,430
Foster, George	1979 Cincinnati Reds	$4,341,378
Bonham, Bill	1979 Cincinnati Reds	$3,541,127
Morgan, Joe	1979 Cincinnati Reds	$3,459,167
Collins, Dave	1979 Cincinnati Reds	$2,708,513
Bair, Doug	1979 Cincinnati Reds	$1,866,269
Auerbach, Rick	1979 Cincinnati Reds	$415,528

I have the Pirates, Orioles (birds), Giants, and Padres so the name of my team will be the "Magnificent Frigatebirds" known as the giant "pirate birds" of the seas...They will nest in Forbes Field
Total Salary $79,872,854
69 Orioles (7)
1B Boog Powell $6,007,889
OF Don Buford $5,369,680
OF Dave May $563,418
SP Dave McNally $6,800,435
SP Jim Palmer $5,974,164
RP Dick Hall $2,419,580
RP Eddie Watt $2,444,591
69 Padres (6)
2B John Sipin $968,712
SS Tommy Dean $973,998
3B Van Kelley $982,983
SP Joe Niekro $4,147,111
RP Dick Kelley $3,104,403
RP Johnny Podres $1,013,462
39 Pirates (6)
SS Arky Vaughan $6,462,241
OF Lloyd Waner $3,071,414
OF Bob Elliott $1,554,610
SP Rip Sewell $4,036,001
RP Bill Swift $2,663,777
RP Max Butcher $1,788,982
29 Giants (6)
C Shanty Hogan $2,396,002
C Bob O'Farrell $1,871,307
1B Pat Crawford $459,827
2B Randy Reese $1,347,114
3B Freddy Lindstrom $5,149,760
OF Mel Ott $8,301,393

Capitol Koozies
Ballpark: Griffith Stadium
Total salary: $79,930,218

1969 Mets

• P Tom Seaver $8,527,938
• P Jerry Koosman $7,591,977
• P Jim McAndrew $3,408,449
• P Nolan Ryan $2,718,838
• P Ron Taylor $1,827,827
• P Jack Dilauro $1,809,320
• OF Art Shamsky $2,587,240

1929 Boston Red Sox

• P Ray Dobens $569,000
• C Alex Gaston $1,135,545
• 2B Bill Regan $2,372,746
• 3B Bob Barrett $626,444
• OF Jack Rothrock $4,053,605
• OF Ken Williams $1,506,493

1979 Detroit Tigers

• P Jack Morris $4,812,861
• P Kip Young $388,637
• C Lance Parrish $4,643,579
• 1B John Wockenfuss $1,402,326
• SS Mark Wagner $741,591
• OF Steve Kemp $4,702,899

1929 Washington Senators

• P Firpo Marberry $8,125,960
• 1B Joe Judge $5,162,683
• 2B Buddy Myer $4,446,990
• 3B Ossie Bluege $2,276,090
• SS Joe Cronin $3,983,033
• OF Red Barnes $508,147

Pitching should be a strength (1420 IPs, .230 OAV, 1.15 WHIP, 0.64 HR/9). It had better be, because we've only got one position player above $5M, and he's just $5.16M. The team's batting line might actually play (.292/.363/.435), especially at home in cavernous Griffith Stadium, but the defense looks extremely shaky.

I'd be more confident if I wasn't in the same division with the 1969 Orioles...

Ribbentrop left me to dagger the 1979 Blue Jays -

To be honest - this is one of the tougher daggers I have had to throw. There isn't anything ultra damaging I can do. He has three avg pitchers that he will probably want to roster but if I dagger them, they can be replaced with others who are as good or almost as good.

I thought about daggering C - Rick Cerone bc then he would be forced to roster a 7 mil Porter but after looking at it, I would probably not want Cerone anyway. I could dagger his backup catcher but that really wouldn't hurt that much.

I could dagger 1B John Mayberry which would force him to roster Johnny Hopp but that really doesn't hurt that much.

I could dagger his 2b backup and force him to spend about 400k extra and take away one player from the Jays that I would certainly roster and thereby force him to have to roster another player.

I could dagger 3B Roy Howell and force him to roster a couple of crappy defensive 3b but that really doesn't hurt.

I could dagger SS Alfredo Griffin and force him to roster Marty Marion but I would rather have Marion anyway.

He has plenty of various options in the OF.

Ultimately the most painful thing I can do is dagger 2B - Dave McKay

Dizzy and The Dodgers

79, 665, 838

Wrigley Field

1979 Dodgers (7)

C- Joe Ferguson (3,130, 992)
1B- Steve Garvey (5, 240, 365)
2B- Davey Lopes (5, 076, 775)
3B- Ron Cey (4, 443, 250)
OF- Dusty Baker (4, 282, 761)
P- Don Sutton (5, 764, 417)
P- Bert Hooten (5, 042, 118)

1939 Phillies (6)

OF- Morrie Arnovich (5, 142, 565)
1B- Gus Suhr (1, 948, 899)
2B- Roy Hughes (1, 336, 325)
OF- LeGrant Scott (1, 397, 237)
P- Syl Johnson (2, 657, 138)
P- Jennings Poindexter (767, 500)

1979 White Sox (6)

3B- Eric Soderholm (1, 597, 602)
UT/OF- Wayne Nordhagen (1, 024, 149)
P- Ken Kravec (6, 076, 723)
P- Francisco Barrios (2, 050, 528)
P- Guy Hoffman (650, 557)
P- Randy Scarbery (2, 099, 477)

1939 Cubs

SS- Dick Bartell (2, 158, 017)
OF- Hank Leiber (4, 694, 417)
C- Gabby Hartnett ( 2, 842, 797)
SS- Bobby Mattick (992, 894)
P- Claude Passeau ( 6, 214,935)
P- Dizzy Dean (2, 435, 400)

Very interesting draft for me. I had three top choices and they were all available when I picked. The 79 Dodgers was the team I liked most but I it had the fewest usable players of the three. I thought it might be a close call but in the end I thought, what the heck, it's a game. Let's be bold.

The Dodgers have a good catcher and the famous Dodger infield. ,I wondered how much of them I'd get to keep on my final roster. In the end Ferguson, Garvey, Lopes and Cey all made it through. Where it got me though was making my final roster. I went through at least 15 versions. I had the usual problems of getting six onto my final roster from the screw teams. The two daggers hurt badly. I also had the problem of at bats. Few guys played more than one position so everytime i made a roster I was short at bats at SS or outfield.

The breakthrough that ended the grief was rostering Gabby Hartnett at catcher along with Joe Ferguson. Ferguson will play mostly in the outfield and Wayne Nordhagen happily has a catcher rating so he can be a third catcher if needed.

Overall, an edge of my seat draft for me. I needed every relief pitcher I had just to make a decent pitching staff. That's why the Ed Farmer dagger hurt as did the Chet Lemon one who was going to bat third for me. The player who was most surprised at being cut was Teddy Martinez who thought his 500k salary made him a must. He was cut to add a sixth White Sox for 1 million more.

Proposed lineup

1. Davey Lopes (2B)
2. Morrie Armovich (OF)
3. Hank Leiber (OF)
4. Ron Cey (3B)
5. Steve Garvey (1B)
6. Joe Ferguson (C)
7. Dusty Baker (OF)
9. Dick Bartell (SS)

Sorry for the wait, jbar888's 2nd dagger will be Bill Henry. While you do have an excellent Ernie Banks, I don't know for sure that you are using him, and if you are, it will take a large chunk out of your budget available for your great pitching choices. Bill Henry on the other hand, I am almost certain would be one of your cubs choices, so he will be the one daggered.

Preeves22 offered the '39 Braves for his 2nd dagger. That team doesn't give you a lot to work with. Taking away McQuinn at 1B or Clift at 3B won't really hurt you as you have other choices at those positions. You have 2 available SS's to choose from as your back-up at that position so I'll dagger SS Mark Christman and hopefully force you to spend $1Million more for Heffner.

Brooklyn Burgertime
$79,964,516 + Ebbets Field

49' Dodgers
$9,231,077 2B 1949 Jackie Robinson
$760,412 3B 1949 Spider Jorgensen
$6,798,779 SS 1949 Pee Wee Reese
$5,721,372 OF 1949 Duke Snider
$3,255,578 P 1949 Rex Barney
$5,188,450 P 1949 Preacher Roe
39' Browns
$1,255,755 C 1939 Sam Harshany
$5,257,543 1B 1939 George McQuinn
$2,080,472 SS 1939 Don Heffner
$2,938,261 OF 1939 Myril Hoag
$849,510 OF 1939 Mel Mazzera
$744,860 P 1939 Bobo Newsom
49' Braves
$5,011,031 3B 1949 Bob Elliott
$1,228,396 OF 1949 Jeff Heath
$1,395,387 P 1949 Bobby Hogue
$1,892,416 P 1949 Johnny Antonelli
$572,075 P 1949 Red Barrett
$7,917,694 P 1949 Warren Spahn
59' Pirates
$3,185,783 C 1959 Smoky Burgess
$521,672 1B 1959 Ted Kluszewski
$894,704 2B 1959 Dick Schofield
$2,629,610 OF 1959 Roberto Clemente
$801,422 P 1959 Fred Green
$2,392,054 P 1959 Roy Face
$7,440,203 P 1959 Vern Law

Kentol, I did use Heffner and plan on using Christman. I also planned on using the ATL stadium and Harvey Haddix. So great daggers all around. This certainly made me learn how to draft from last time around, and I feel very proud of my team.

Ended up using Spahn as I was baited to do so, but I will take a 3.07 ERA when you have 319 IP.
Got Vern Law and Preacher Roe to be in the rotation as well both with Sub 3 ERA's.

RP had to come together and that was blessed mostly with my 4th Team and the Boston Braves that had some great value pieces.
Incredibly THRILLED that I got to use Robinson, Reese, Snider, AND Clemente (not the best version of him though). I wish I had a bit more Slugging, but the goal is that my team will as they say in moneyball "GET ON BASE" and we will ensure that your team does not get your guys home. Something worked on that I did not plan on which is the Platoon of Burgess and Harshany. Great defensive Catcher with Harshany, and Burgess with a .485 SLG for some power bat.

GL;HF!

I can't believe that some guys are still waiting for daggers. Jstephen25 hasn't had one thrown at him yet. How's he supposed to build his team?

Posted by redcped on 8/8/2024 9:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by redcped on 8/7/2024 1:06:00 AM (view original):
Vilefileman, for my second dagger you may strike at the 69 Indians. We’ve already lost the only good player they had.

vilefileman, maybe you missed this with all the recent posts.

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