Four Way Battle Topic

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2017 3:58:00 PM (view original):
People forget that.

Especially the ones that start their complaint with "I haven't paid for this game in years and, once my credits run out, I'm going to quit if you don't...." then follow it with a demand for changing it back to the way it was.

Seriously, who's the more valuable customer? The guy with 6 teams playing on credits or the guy with two teams he had to pay for?
I haven't paid for a season in over a year. And I have zero B6 D1 teams. They did NOTHING to address me getting free seasons.
3/2/2017 4:07 PM
Posted by Benis on 3/2/2017 3:36:00 PM (view original):
Its built in. That's what I'm saying. They designed it that way but gave far too many advantages so they completely neutered B6 D1. It went too far IMO.
Hyperbole. Big 6 conferences are still generally the strongest in a given world, and supplying most of the sweet 16 teams, despite losing a lot of long-term coaches. Not easing hiring requirements to go along with 3.0 was probably a mistake, but those teams aren't empty because "there's no incentive" anymore. It's because coaches who would be interested in filling them aren't qualified yet. If anything, that line of thinking was still true in the previous version. To move up, you always had to give up on a program you had built up to a certain level.

Prestige hasn't been neutered. It matters a great deal, as does the strong conference (for overall RPI and tourney seeding, success, and specifically the recruit's strong conference preference).
3/2/2017 4:09 PM
B6 advantages have been neutered. Not a hyperbole at all. Its true. Night and day compared to 2.0.
3/2/2017 4:13 PM
Posted by Benis on 3/2/2017 4:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2017 3:58:00 PM (view original):
People forget that.

Especially the ones that start their complaint with "I haven't paid for this game in years and, once my credits run out, I'm going to quit if you don't...." then follow it with a demand for changing it back to the way it was.

Seriously, who's the more valuable customer? The guy with 6 teams playing on credits or the guy with two teams he had to pay for?
I haven't paid for a season in over a year. And I have zero B6 D1 teams. They did NOTHING to address me getting free seasons.
#humblebrag?
3/2/2017 4:14 PM
Someone on here needs to buy Cadillacs for gopokes24 and bubbakincaid, amirite?
3/2/2017 4:16 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 3/2/2017 3:28:00 PM (view original):
And the references to "baseline prestige" seem to imply that it is indeed the former.
Correct. D1 has baseline prestige built in, at a very steep gradient. Upper D1 has a considerable prestige advantage over the lowest conferences in D1.
3/2/2017 5:38 PM
Posted by npb7768 on 3/2/2017 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Someone on here needs to buy Cadillacs for gopokes24 and bubbakincaid, amirite?
But stewdog "earned" his advantages. Don't believe me? Just ask him.
3/2/2017 5:54 PM
This thread is getting out of hand time to let it die.
3/2/2017 5:57 PM
Posted by CoachWard95 on 3/2/2017 5:57:00 PM (view original):
This thread is getting out of hand time to let it die.
Surprisingly, this thread defied the 4 page "rule" and got back on topic/interesting for a few pages
3/2/2017 5:58 PM
Posted by jt2xTTU on 3/2/2017 5:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 3/2/2017 5:57:00 PM (view original):
This thread is getting out of hand time to let it die.
Surprisingly, this thread defied the 4 page "rule" and got back on topic/interesting for a few pages
There were some good ideas.
3/2/2017 6:35 PM
Posted by Benis on 3/2/2017 4:14:00 PM (view original):
B6 advantages have been neutered. Not a hyperbole at all. Its true. Night and day compared to 2.0.
No, complete hyperbole. The advantages have been mitigated, so it's no longer winner's ball. You do have to battle every year to stay on top, elite recruits are no longer routinely abdicated to the highest prestige team with the most open scholarships. The advantage to playing at a Big 6 program are not gone, or remotely "neutered". People still aspire to Big 6 schools, and the advantages I mentioned are built in to the game, and carry significant weight.

Some think it's gone too far. Others disagree. Those assessments are based in the gameplay preferences of the individual. But calling the advantages "neutered" is plain hyperbole by any proper understanding of the term.
3/2/2017 6:45 PM
Maybe he doesn't really know what "neutered" means. "Muted" or "Mitigated" might be better words.
3/2/2017 6:48 PM
Posted by zorzii on 3/2/2017 6:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jt2xTTU on 3/2/2017 5:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 3/2/2017 5:57:00 PM (view original):
This thread is getting out of hand time to let it die.
Surprisingly, this thread defied the 4 page "rule" and got back on topic/interesting for a few pages
There were some good ideas.
I'm gonna say "if some people wouldn't derail discussion by..." and probably derail the discussion.

If some people wouldn't derail discussion by joining in and casting about an insult in their first post, more meaningful discussions can be had. I get that allmatt, turdl and only don't care for my opinion(and that it's counter to their opinions). But, if you start with "your annoying"(my annoying what?), "you're in D3", "you're .500" or whatever else, you've killed the discussion and turned it into a ******* match.

You don't have to be in D1 or have a NT in your resume' to discuss concept. This is about resource allocation and risk/reward. Those are life concepts not HD concepts. They apply to many things beyond the tiny world of a simgame.
3/2/2017 6:57 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/16/2017 5:10:00 PM (view original):
This is what I like about recruiting at D1 in 3.0.
Fordham Trentonjoe DI B Very High Yes 36%
DI A+ Very High Yes 29%
DI B High Yes 21%
DI B High Yes 14%

I lost.
Going back to the original post of this thread, just a few questions I've had come to mind.

1. Under the old system, who would have won this battle? I suspect it would have been whomever was the A+ school, given their prestige advantage. Maybe not, you can enlighten me if I'm mistaken.

2. Would there have even been a battle for this recruit under the old system? Again, I suspect not because, again, the A+ team would have put his stake on him early and then moved on to his next recruit without giving a second thought.

3. Without looking at the player, I'm left assuming he was probably good. If so, under the old system, the B teams would have all had to look at lower talent, correct?

So, under the new system, the B team landed the guy after successfully being able to battle a team which they wouldn't have been able to really dream of under the old system once the A+ team got interested. The fact that a battle ensued is exactly what wouldn't have happened before because their simply would have been very little hope for the lower prestige team to win. It seems to me that Whatif has achieved their goal of dispersing the talent at D1.
Realistically, there is no way that I can think of to achieve their ultimate end game of recruiting without battles like this occurring all over the system. It's binary, simple as that. If you allow for battles to be possible, there will be battles aplenty. If you say you want the top teams to have a greater advantage, the system slips back to what it was in the past. Don't like it? No one is forcing you to play the game, and at the end of the day this is a game. Not real life, no one here is spending 60 hours a week coaching, watching films, running practices, etc. At the end of the day, everyone who is lower than guys like you zorzii, stewdog, et al, pays the same $12.95 a season. Oh, wait, do you guys pay more? Less? If you do, I apologize, you would be right that this game should be weighted to those of you who have reached the fictional mountaintop. I've read all the things whatif put out about the game, and I failed to see that they ever said it was meant to mirror real life. Unless they can program emotions into the game, the players are binary. It breaks down to a formula, actions causing players more likely to sign. They've tried to program emotions by putting in things like preferences, but until they do, saying players would more than likely go to Duke than Hofstra in real life doesn't hold much water, sorry...
3/2/2017 7:01 PM
Posted by shoe3 on 3/2/2017 6:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 3/2/2017 4:14:00 PM (view original):
B6 advantages have been neutered. Not a hyperbole at all. Its true. Night and day compared to 2.0.
No, complete hyperbole. The advantages have been mitigated, so it's no longer winner's ball. You do have to battle every year to stay on top, elite recruits are no longer routinely abdicated to the highest prestige team with the most open scholarships. The advantage to playing at a Big 6 program are not gone, or remotely "neutered". People still aspire to Big 6 schools, and the advantages I mentioned are built in to the game, and carry significant weight.

Some think it's gone too far. Others disagree. Those assessments are based in the gameplay preferences of the individual. But calling the advantages "neutered" is plain hyperbole by any proper understanding of the term.
What advantage is there to a B6 program now? And what were the advantages before? How do they compare?
3/2/2017 7:03 PM
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