Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

"Sounds like Antifa to me!"

Posted by all3 on 7/24/2020 2:45:00 PM (view original):
Tang, as always, showing why he's not worth reading. What an idiot. NO, nothing in correander's post is racist at all. Views like that are exactly why I am so scared to vote for any Democrat anymore. Imagine reversing the races and what kind of whining and crying would those two be doing about how racist the poster was.

Yeah, reverse the races: just imagine if someone said all white people were rapists, just imagine. Can't vote for that. No sir.

Posted by tangplay on 7/24/2020 3:18:00 PM (view original):

Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

"Sounds like Antifa to me!"

There's a pretty big spectrum of political beliefs in the world. I'm just saying that a group who's most famous actions involve wanton destruction of private property and suppression of speech have what I would consider to be a fairly naive view of what it means to be 'anti-fascist.' It's very level-0 thinking of "we oppose people we think are fascist," but their actions are far from the opposite of fascism. An enlightened anti-fascist would look, to me, quite a bit different.

More importantly, you now accept that fascism does in fact differ from nationalist authoritarianism via the presence of a command economy? Because that would confirm my assertion that Trump - who has campaigned hard for deregulation and took a lot of criticism for failing to invoke the defense production act to direct manufacturing - is not, in fact, a fascist.

The term anti-racist is very popular right now. MLK would certainly qualify as what we would now consider an anti-racist. Malcolm X was frequently a proponent of responding to violence with violence and wrote about the superiority of blacks over whites. He would not, generally, fit the definition of what we would now call an anti-racist, even though he was vehemently opposed to people he viewed as racists. This is the basic framework in which I find it difficult to look at Antifa and agree that they are anti-fascist.

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/24/2020 5:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 7/24/2020 3:18:00 PM (view original):

Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

"Sounds like Antifa to me!"

There's a pretty big spectrum of political beliefs in the world. I'm just saying that a group who's most famous actions involve wanton destruction of private property and suppression of speech have what I would consider to be a fairly naive view of what it means to be 'anti-fascist.' It's very level-0 thinking of "we oppose people we think are fascist," but their actions are far from the opposite of fascism. An enlightened anti-fascist would look, to me, quite a bit different.

More importantly, you now accept that fascism does in fact differ from nationalist authoritarianism via the presence of a command economy? Because that would confirm my assertion that Trump - who has campaigned hard for deregulation and took a lot of criticism for failing to invoke the defense production act to direct manufacturing - is not, in fact, a fascist.

Oh, I never called them "enlightened anti fascists," or whatever. I would never compare them to MLK. But they aren't fascists, obviously.

As for Trump, I already agreed that the more accurate term is nationalist authoritarian, but I still call him a fascist anyway because
a) He's extremely close to being one
b) It sounds better and makes for a more emotional reaction

Let's be honest - when we think of fascism, we don't generally think of a command economy first. I don't think the distinction is all that important anyway. Bernie Sanders would probably accept people calling him a Socialist generally, even though he would specifically identify as a Democratic Socialist (Except he's actually a social democrat, but I digress). Again, I agree that your term is more accurate.

Posted by tangplay on 7/24/2020 1:58:00 PM (view original):
That's not a racist statement. It's a movement specifically about black interests and elevating their voices. If it's a rally about disabled people, you'd want disabled people to be in front.

The statement about Nick Cannon is a racist one, because Core called white people "trash".

so,it is a movement about Black interests (although I disagree. It should be about everyone's interest). Does that mean that BLM does not want whites ti support their cause, or not too many whites? I think not. They should want everyone to support their cause, regardless of race. Saying there were too many whites there, or that the whites should not be in front seems racist to me. If he had said that about Blacks (or any other race) would you consider it racist? I think you would. Let's see what it would look like....

My only complaint is that there are too many black people here. Black voices should be in back, black bodies in front. To many black bodies in general here tho.

Tell the truth, if someone had actually posted that and meant it, do you say you would think there is nothing racist about that statement? I doubt it.

It depends on what the rally is about. If the rally is specifically about advancing white interests, then no, it's not racist (although the rally might be, lol).

I see your point, though, about "too many white people here." I disagree with that. But yeah, in a BLACK lives matter rally, you probably want the black people in front and the white people to be supportive allies. You dodged my analogy about a rally for disabled rights. Would you want a bunch of abled bodies leading the way and speaking for others? Of course not.

Again, the stuff about "too many white people here" is problematic, and I should have addressed it specifically earlier.

I would call what is happening today a couple of things...

1 - Fighting fire with fire

2 - Payback

I’d also tell you whiny *******...

”TOUGH ****.”

Posted by wylie715 on 7/24/2020 7:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 7/24/2020 1:58:00 PM (view original):
That's not a racist statement. It's a movement specifically about black interests and elevating their voices. If it's a rally about disabled people, you'd want disabled people to be in front.

The statement about Nick Cannon is a racist one, because Core called white people "trash".

so,it is a movement about Black interests (although I disagree. It should be about everyone's interest). Does that mean that BLM does not want whites ti support their cause, or not too many whites? I think not. They should want everyone to support their cause, regardless of race. Saying there were too many whites there, or that the whites should not be in front seems racist to me. If he had said that about Blacks (or any other race) would you consider it racist? I think you would. Let's see what it would look like....

My only complaint is that there are too many black people here. Black voices should be in back, black bodies in front. To many black bodies in general here tho.

Tell the truth, if someone had actually posted that and meant it, do you say you would think there is nothing racist about that statement? I doubt it.

At least tang and correander can still make the two of us agree about a few things.