It was more the statement about the cash. 18 million doesn't change in value.

The funny thing about the ruling, as stated, is that other types of trades can have the same ability to totally transform another team for next to nothing too. They really made no logical distinction about cash, other than to say it is "next to nothing"...as if cruddy prospects aren't in a salary dump.

Curious.

Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 9/20/2009
The funny thing about the ruling, as stated, is that other types of trades can have the same ability to totally transform another team for next to nothing too. They really made no logical distinction about cash, other than to say it is "next to nothing"...as if cruddy prospects aren't in a salary dump.

Curious.

Certainly is. Makes one wonder whether it has been reported accurately, or significant context has been out. It certainly isn't"Admin rules on cash trade for players" the title of the thread and the original post claim, so at least that much has been misrepresented.

No it isn't snake. It's a word for word quote what they said. Believe what you want.

Silent actually has the whole exchange and can verify that.

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 9/20/2009
No it isn't snake. It's a word for word quote what they said. Believe what you want.

You missed my point. There have been vigorous debates in recent weeks about the use of cash in trades, such vigorous debate that that context is inescapable in any related discussion. In that context, your thread title implies that WIS ruled on that topic. That is misleading. WIS hasn't touched that topic with a ten foot pole. They ruled, albeit with strange language, on one trade only, no more no less.

But, according to anyone who uses cash in trades...the one constant IS cash. We know what cash's value is. If I say 18 million dollars, it's worth 18 million dollars across all worlds, across all teams -- it is, and for simplification I'm rounding, I know, 10 percent of your budget. Not an insignificant amount.

And yet they are very clearly saying, and not in strange language, that it's an insignificant amount of money. You can mealy-mouth it if you like, but I pressed them on that specific point twice and they didn't back down from it. So I believe the point stands.

WIS ruled on one trade, no more, no less. THAT is a point made long ago.

Anything close to suggesting "$18m is negligible" is indeed very strange language.

What you're trying to make of that is, at best, unclear.

Nowhere in WIS response to the trade did they even mention cash. They made a ruling on 1 trade and did not specify why they made that ruling. Any reason you choose is nothing more than assumption on your part, unless you ask WIS to clarify their response. If WIS did not wish to allow cash trades they would make a statement updating their policy.

I don't even understand why WIS is ruling on a trade, isn't that what vetoes are for?

plague -- they...mentioned cash. I'm more confused by that statement then what they said...

As for the last part that's been hashed out elsewhere.

I must be missing something because this is the only response I seen and in that response I see no mention of cash. I have not even seen the players, for all I know it could of been 3 90+ overall rated players for a 30 overall rated player.

"That trade, if it goes through, has the ability to totally transform another team for next to nothing and it will also upset the balance of the world."

What were the ratings of the players involved? And did they say anything else? I've always been in the pro cash crowd but I'm interested to see what they said and the full context. Right now, all I know that a trade that involved cash was deemed very unfair, which doesn't necessarily mean cash trades are unfair. I don't want open this debate in here again, but my thinking is that if 5M for a superstar is too little and 5M for a 32 OVR player is too much then there must be a fair medium. So unless they expressly said all cash trades are unfair, the fact that 1 unfair trade had too much or too little cash doesn't really side with the "cash is unfair" argument.

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 9/21/2009
plague -- they...mentioned cash. I'm more confused by that statement then what they said...
As for the last part that's been hashed out elsewhere.

tropicana -- you...mentioned cash.

"here is what Customer Support has officially said this beauty in relation to my trade of a player for cash:

"That trade, if it goes through, has the ability to totally transform another team for next to nothing and it will also upset the balance of the world."

So not only do cash trades upset the balance of worlds, they are calling the trading teams' 18 million dollar cash outlay (cash sent to me, cash transferred and the amount transferred) as next to nothing."

All WIS did was disapprove a trade, one trade, one solitary trade, no more, no less.

OK, fair enough, I didn't post it here. Whatever. Believe whatever you need to to get to sleep at night.

Since I can still make trades that involve Players for Cash I will believe that WIS has not ruled against Players for Cash trades. Its also hard to believe that they would make some game change ruling and only tell you and not make a updated announcement.