Re: The Draft Topic

MikeT23
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Then why not group them by age? 18-19-20-21-22

9/29/2009 12:33 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By double-a on 9/25/2009
Why spend development resources fixing a non-problem when there are real issues for WIS to work on?
9/29/2009 12:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/29/2009
Then why not group them by age? 18-19-20-21-22



This is the best and most realistic solution. Now saying this, the draft format now doesn't bother me, but if it did need a change, this would be the way to go.
9/29/2009 1:03 PM
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I have no issue with the current program either. But JUCO simply indicates that they're not freshmen in college.
9/29/2009 1:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/29/2009
Then why not group them by age? 18-19-20-21-22

Are you talking about HBD or porn?
9/29/2009 1:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By strikeout26 on 9/29/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/29/2009

Then why not group them by age? 18-19-20-21-22



This is the best and most realistic solution. Now saying this, the draft format now doesn't bother me, but if it did need a change, this would be the way to go
Seriously? This would be the least realistic solution.

Picture two scouts at a college game. Scout #1 is there to check out the 20 year old shortstop. Scout #2 points out that the 19 year old second baseman has been pounding the snot out of the ball all season and wants to turn pro. Scout #1 says "Bah. I only look at 20 year olds".
9/29/2009 2:04 PM
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Uh, scouting is not realistic. As has been beaten to death, a copy of Baseball America costs $3. They'll list the top 100 for you. You might be able to dispute #65 as a top 100 player but I guarantee you the top 20 are top 100 players. Why can't I see the top 100 players?
9/29/2009 2:12 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sanderbear on 9/29/2009
I wasn't looking for a "bitchfest." I was asking for opinions on an idea regarding scouting budget, and the effect it would have on draft strategy.

ttnorm and mike then took the thread their own direction.

I'd still be interested in what people thought of the idea in the thread's original post.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The best thing that can happen is that WIS leaves their hands off of it and avoids all the mistakes they made in GD.
9/29/2009 2:57 PM
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Well, that's part of the problem I was trying to address.

Someone recently said there were 500 college players and 200 HS players in a typical draft. I don't know if that's true, but if it is, then there should be ways to maximize the type of player you want to see, if you are willing to allocate money for that kind of scouting.

Breaking it down more ways (by type of school, by age, by geography) would allow you to better pinpoint your money, so that you would see more of what you want to see.

I'm open to Mike's idea.
9/29/2009 2:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sanderbear on 9/29/2009

Well, that's part of the problem I was trying to address.

Someone recently said there were 500 college players and 200 HS players in a typical draft. I don't know if that's true, [I believe it isn't, but that's neither here nor there] but if it is, then there should be ways to maximize the type of player you want to see, if you are willing to allocate money for that kind of scouting. [there already is]

Breaking it down more ways (by type of school, by age, by geography) would allow you to better pinpoint your money, so that you would see more of what you want to see. [you can already exactly rank so many players that you are far, far beyond the point of diminishing returns into the realm of NO returns]

I'm open to Mike's idea. [and that bit of self-awareness doesn't frighten the living bejeezus out of you?]

You haven't shown that anything is broke.
9/29/2009 3:02 PM
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snake, if you budget $20M for college, you aren't going to see all the available college players.

If you had one draft with $20M for college, and another draft with $20M for college and $20M for JC, you'd see more players. (This assumes you'd allocate $0M for HS in either case).

If you had a system that allowed you to allocate based on age, and you put $20M into 20-yos and $20M into 19-yos, you'd also see a broader spectrum of players than the current $20M into college.

Am I wrong?
9/29/2009 3:25 PM
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As one who used to complain that "I didn't see the top pick of the draft", I've come to terms with it by realizing that I'm seeing prospects that the teams in front of me are not seeing.

So not seeing everybody is no big deal. It works just as much in your favor as it does against you. It all evens out in the long run.

So once again . . . if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
9/29/2009 4:05 PM
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Just saying don't use the "That's not realistic" argument when discussing the amatuer draft.
9/29/2009 4:54 PM
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I like MikeT's suggestion of scouts with one caveat - they should just be regional. Major league teams don't have college and high school scouts. Almost universally they have amateur and pro scouts. Some teams choose to focus their drafts on either HS or college players, but they all have the same scouts at college and HS games.
9/29/2009 4:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jwendt on 9/29/2009I like MikeT's suggestion of scouts with one caveat - they should just be regional. Major league teams don't have college and high school scouts. Almost universally they have amateur and pro scouts. Some teams choose to focus their drafts on either HS or college players, but they all have the same scouts at college and HS games
+1
9/29/2009 5:48 PM
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