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gumbercules
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Actually, I'm not a commish. I just asked the question because I thought your problem was interesting and wanted to get a little clarification for anyone reading this. I do know that plague is a commish and he's also a good owner in a league I am in. I'd tend to agree with his assessment. You yourrself said you didn't veto it the first time, which would lead me to believe it wasn't a blatantly lopsided trade.
9/27/2009 10:56 AM
MikeT23
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As a general rule, I'll vote any deal(as an owner) that was previously vetoed regardless of what I think of the deal. The "league" doesn't like it. Stop it. Quit trying to push it thru.
9/27/2009 11:15 AM
jsturgis5866
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/27/2009As a general rule, I'll vote any deal(as an owner) that was previously vetoed regardless of what I think of the deal. The "league" doesn't like it. Stop it. Quit trying to push it thru
Veto?

I'd choose B above, esp. if the thread initiator is the commissioner. If the world vetoed the trade, it should be vetoed by everyone the second time around. The participating owners are just playing games now, and hoping that the rest of the world won't pay attention. IOW, they don't giving a flying **** what the world thinks and has zero respect for it.

Personally, I'd post that on the league board and veto every trade of theirs from now until ... forever.
9/27/2009 11:54 AM
MikeT23
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Yes, veto.
9/27/2009 1:49 PM
zbrent716
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Those of you who would veto the second deal, just how different does the second trade have to be in order for you to veto/not-veto it on it's own merits?

To you, once a trade involving certain players is vetoed, does any trade any of the same guys deserve a veto?
9/27/2009 3:37 PM
jsturgis5866
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Imo, yes... unless there is a substantive change, in cash and/or the significant players included. It sounds like cash is an issue, so it's possible I'd let it go in round 2 with the same players but the cash removed.
9/27/2009 4:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 9/27/2009
Those of you who would veto the second deal, just how different does the second trade have to be in order for you to veto/not-veto it on it's own merits?

To you, once a trade involving certain players is vetoed, does any trade any of the same guys deserve a veto?



If you're just adding turds with a different smell, it's not really changing the trade. I don't give a damn about trading career minor leaguers(regardless of quality) and I think we all know if a player has value at the big league level. A great defensive LF isn't going to have a spot on a BL roster. May as well trade that innings-eater pitcher with control/splits in the teens.
9/27/2009 5:49 PM
overeasy
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The comment I question as a league commissioner myself is that the league has already spoken and didn't want the trade. Last time I checked, there are 32 people in a league, so 22 of them did not find the trade worthy of a veto.
9/28/2009 1:31 AM
MikeT23
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Or they just didn't vote. Or they just don't care. In my experience, trades seldom get vetoed in any world. If 10 owners thinks it's that bad, it probably is.
9/28/2009 7:56 AM
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I would fall somewhere between B and C. It seems like these guys are trying to slip one in, hoping that not all 10 will veto again. If there is no significant difference from the first deal, I would encourage everyone to veto, and issue a warning to the principals that this type of behavior isn't tolerated.
9/28/2009 8:56 AM
sergei91
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i say veto it if you think it's warranted. others, if paying attention, will do the same.

it's a private world that hopefully screened any current owners.

you could call attention to it in the world chat if you think others may have missed it, if you want

as was said already, if it's bad enough, it should get vetoed regardless
9/28/2009 9:29 AM
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