Ill give you Snyder as youre correct I dont follow the Redskins as closely as others BUT stand by the position that if they had a real QB and hadnt wasted the past 3-4 seasons on Campbell they'd be winning alot more games...Just look what Todd Collins did when given the chance.

Mike Brown --- has put together a pretty damn good team over there. They dont have holes anywhere besides maybe the OL...and having your #1 pick get hurt after already having reporting late couldnt have helped...the Bengals were good in the 80s bad in the 90s and been decent this decade...to say he is in the top 5 is insane...I think sticking by Marvin Lewis is also a smart move as it adds stability and the players like him (which makes a big difference)...whether he kept him because he's cheap or whatever other reason its the smart thing...

Quote: Originally Posted By piratesfan23 on 10/27/2009Randy Lerner - Browns is close

The Browns still play in the NFL? I thought they were playing 1AA ball now...

Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 10/27/2009Ill give you Snyder as youre correct I dont follow the Redskins as closely as others BUT stand by the position that if they had a real QB and hadnt wasted the past 3-4 seasons on Campbell they'd be winning alot more games...Just look what Todd Collins did when given the chance
Mike Brown --- has put together a pretty damn good team over there. They dont have holes anywhere besides maybe the OL...and having your #1 pick get hurt after already having reporting late couldnt have helped...the Bengals were good in the 80s bad in the 90s and been decent this decade...to say he is in the top 5 is insane...I think sticking by Marvin Lewis is also a smart move as it adds stability and the players like him (which makes a big difference)...whether he kept him because he's cheap or whatever other reason its the smart thing..

We'll agree Marvin Lewis is a good thing. However, you really are missing the point about Mike Brown. He is a horrible owner. They were not good in the 90's.

Paul Brown died in 1991, and Mike Brown took over. Here are the Bengal's won-loss record from 1991-99 - 3-13, 5-11, 3-13, 3-13, 7-9, 8-8, 7-9, 3-13, 4-12.

And since 2000 - 4-12. 4-12, 2-14, 8-8, 8-8, 11-5, 8-8, 7-9, 4-11-1.

One winning record since he took over. That is not the mark of a good owner. That is Clipper's bad. Washington Nationals bad. Consistently bad over 18 yrs is a proven track record. As long as Mike Brown is GM, they will never consistently win.

Ralph Wilson

his daughter *helps* in the draft room on draft weekend

he thinks he can win with *smart* guys

Quote: Originally Posted By tracyr on 10/27/2009
Ralph Wilson

his daughter *helps* in the draft room on draft weekend

he thinks he can win with *smart* guys

What a coincidence - Mike Brown's daughter also helps with the draft.

How could the Fords not be at the top of the list? That team hasn't been near the playoffs since Barry Sanders was on the team.

The Lions made the playoffs in Year One post-Barry. That being said, the Lions have won exactly one playoff game since 1957. The only other team that is even close to being that futile for that long a period of time is the Chicago-St. Louis-Arizona Cardinals, and they went and ruined that period of ineptitude by flukishly making the Super Bowl last year. Prior to that, the Bidwells/Fords had to be Nos. 1 and 1A on this list, but give the 0-fer for the Lions last year, William Clay Ford is easily tops in this category.

Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 10/27/2009
I think the Redskins troubles are much more simple than they like to admit. Namely, Campbell shouldn't be a starting QB in the NFL. Snyder is a good owner, you never hear from him and he doesnt get involved (which are two things he was guilty of when he took over the team). He is willing to spend money and has put together a very talented team on both sides of the ball. The should throw Colt Brennan in and see if he is worth anything and if not use their pick on Colt McCoy. I'm telling you watching Campbell play is heart wrenching and I don't understand Redskins fans constant defense of him...

I'd also take Mike Brown off the list...no questions the Bengals were a joke for forever but since hiring Marvin Lewis the culture has turned...In fact they had become one of the better teams a couple of years ago but suffered a set back when Palmer got hurt...He's healthy their defense is young and was already good last year and they finally found a running back.

I think I'd replace Snyder/Brown with whoever owns the Jets as theyve been pathetic for a million years along with Ralp Wilson...While Wilson was one of the best owners for many years and helped build the NFL; he like Davis has lost it and run that team into the ground.

mmt jumped the shark with this one. win nothing snyder good and HOF owner ralph wilson bad. still scratching head. wow. dude, stick to fantasy basketball.

Quote: Originally posted by mmt0315 on 10/27/2009I think the Redskins troubles are much more simple than they like to admit. Namely, Campbell shouldn't be a starting QB in the NFL.  Snyder is a good owner, you never hear from him and he doesnt get involved (which are two things he was guilty of when he took over the team).  He is willing to spend money and has put together a very talented team on both sides of the ball.  The should throw Colt Brennan in and see if he is worth anything and if not use their pick on Colt McCoy.  I'm telling you watching Campbell play is heart wrenching and I don't understand Redskins fans constant defense of him...I'd also take Mike Brown off the list...no questions the Bengals were a joke for forever but since hiring Marvin Lewis the culture has turned...In fact they had become one of the better teams a couple of years ago but suffered a set back when Palmer got hurt...He's healthy their defense is young and was already good last year and they finally found a running back.I think I'd replace Snyder/Brown with whoever owns the Jets as theyve been pathetic for a million years along with Ralp Wilson...While Wilson was one of the best owners for many years and helped build the NFL; he like Davis has lost it and run that team into the ground.

compare the # of playoff games the jets have won to the # the bengals have won since woody johnson bought the jets.

I think the fact that Davis owned the Raiders when they won a Bunch of Super Bowls takes him off the list. He is just nuts, but not a bad owner.

The Fords Have to be at the top. What standard of measure could anyone use to put Detroit ahead of any Football team.

If it wasnt for the Basketball and Hockey Teams in Detroit we would have hung that SOB years ago!

Well, thats the question are we talking worst owners of all-time or worst in the last 10-15 years. There were plenty of teams that were bad for decades and had mini runs. The Saints didnt win a playoff game for 20-30 years and have only recently become a team of this caliber...is it genius ownership or the fact Miami didnt want Brees which is where he wanted to end up...

The Pats didnt win anything for years and years aside from the occasional 2-3 year good period in the early 80s...A fluke injury to Bledsoe and Baam...Is that good ownership? Its not like Brady was someone they had to have...they picked him up in the 7th round.

The Bills stunk for years and years and years...even in the OJ days...They had a mini run in the 90s when years of high draft picks finally panned out...have won a playoff game since.

The Cardinals and Bidwel were always a joke and a laughing stock until they got the miracle of Kurt Warner who in one season won more playoff games than the team had won total over 50 years. In fact he refuses to sign Boldin and Docket who are key to that team. No one puts him on the list because they went to the Super Bowl last season.

Sometimes in professional sports, things dont work out, draft picks dont pan out, signings dont work or key guys get injured. As I said about Mike Brown, yes they were bad in the 90s but a big part of that was the continued lack of a franchise QB...They tried...bringing in David Klingler and Akili Smith (to name a few) but in the NFL especially in the last 15 years or so the QB is the most important position you dont have one you cant win...its simply not like the old days anymore. Enter Carson Palmer and everything changed...and those 8-8 records in the 2000s were a big improvement from where they had been prior to drafting Palmer, and the team progressively was getting better. They took the next step went 11-5 and he got injured...So they had to take a step back while he got healthy. Point is if they suddenly win the division and go to the playoffs 6 outta the next 8 years is he a good owner, when he's done everything the same way?

That was my only point on Brown.

As for Snyder its way to early to judge...He spends money and tries year in year out...Does he probably need to brings in football people for sure. But Jason Campbell is the biggest problem in Washington...get a real QB in there and this current team is competing for a division title.

Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 10/27/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 10/27/2009

I think the Redskins troubles are much more simple than they like to admit. Namely, Campbell shouldn't be a starting QB in the NFL. Snyder is a good owner, you never hear from him and he doesnt get involved (which are two things he was guilty of when he took over the team). He is willing to spend money and has put together a very talented team on both sides of the ball. The should throw Colt Brennan in and see if he is worth anything and if not use their pick on Colt McCoy. I'm telling you watching Campbell play is heart wrenching and I don't understand Redskins fans constant defense of him...

I'd also take Mike Brown off the list...no questions the Bengals were a joke for forever but since hiring Marvin Lewis the culture has turned...In fact they had become one of the better teams a couple of years ago but suffered a set back when Palmer got hurt...He's healthy their defense is young and was already good last year and they finally found a running back.

I think I'd replace Snyder/Brown with whoever owns the Jets as theyve been pathetic for a million years along with Ralp Wilson...While Wilson was one of the best owners for many years and helped build the NFL; he like Davis has lost it and run that team into the ground.

mmt jumped the shark with this one. win nothing snyder good and HOF owner ralph wilson bad. still scratching head. wow. dude, stick to fantasy basketball

If youre a fan of a team TODAY. Who would you rather have as your owner? Ralph Wilson (lets see can our OC one week before the season, sign a 35 year old washed up WR simply for marketing purposes, trade our best OL for peanuts and dont replace him, stick with Dick Jaron whose has made both teams hes coached worse with each year, start 3 rookie OL on opening day including two undrafted FA? Havent won a playoff game in 10+ years) OR Snyder, all the bad things everyone has justifiably said above, but tries to ADD not reduce talent every season...

I know people hate Snyder and I cant say I blame them...But if we are talking currently you cant say because Wilson is a HOFer he is currently a better owner...specifically when Al Davis was #1 on the list that started this thread and he too is a HOFer with a better resume than Wilson.

I think I'm one of the few Lions fans that actually likes WCF running the team. He made a beautiful stadium. He tells the NFL to **** off every time they try to take away the Thanksgiving game. And, most importantly, he spends money on the team...both on players and on coaching staff. Lastly, he stays the f away from the cameras. Give me an owner that opens up the checkbook and otherwise shuts the hell up, and you'll make me a happy fan. Sure, the Lions suck in terms of wins/losses...but we have Megatron and you don't.

And it sure does feel good looking down my nose at Rams fans this week.

Yeesh, as a Lions fan facing a game this weekend in which neither Stafford nor Calvin Johnson are definites to play, I'm surely not looking down my nose at anybody. How any Lions fan can look down his or her nose at a fan of another team is beyond me?

Anyway, how have the Lions paid for players? I'd like one solid example of a guy the Lions have lured away, a real, honest-to-goodness player, from another NFL team. I can't think of one. And they stink in the draft, absolutely stink. The team has been talentless for 10 years now, and is the embarassment of the National Football League. udm_mike clearly doesn't expect much out of his professional sports teams.

when I asked the original question, I meant the worst owners in the NFL today. I almost took Mike Brown off of the list for the Glazers, in Tampa Bay, for their firing of Jon Gruden.

I know that Bidwell is considered to be terrible, and it is a crime to not pay to keep your best players, if you can afford to keep them under the salary cap.

Davis was listed first in my list because he's obviously making the same poor decisions time and time again, expecting a different result. Personally, I think that Derrius Hey-Bey would be much better off in a situation with lower expectations/less pressure and a better QB. He would've been a great late 1st round pick, in other words. Basically ever since Davis ran Gruden out of town, he's made bad decision after bad decision.

In the meantime, Danny Snyder isn't trying to make the team as good as possible, he's looking to get the fans excited every offseason and spend as much money as possible. If he were a good owner, he would've given Marty Schottenheimer a good four years to allow the team to develop some kind of identity. They have had 10 QBs in under 10 years, 6 head coaches, and 0 general managers. Vinny Cerrato is a joke, Snyder likes him because he does what he's told. Zorn was a terrible hire, but flashy, as have been all of Snyder's hires. He's consistently taken one of the most profitable teams in the NFL and done absolutely nothing with their immense resources to make the team better.