Quote: Originally Posted By duece112 on 12/03/2009
I got a guy in a neutral park with

Contact - 21
Power - 98
vs LHP - 39
vs RHP - 54
Eye - 90

almost 700 career MLB AB's

.282/.360/.621 for a .981 OPS with 68 HR's, 169 strikeouts

I think he may be playing a bit over his head but he's very similar to the guy coachgus posted...

you cant look at career stats for guys like this anymore, we gotta see how a couple of seasons play out since the recent updates. I have started making moves to get guys like this off of my team or at least into bench players roles (think Matt Stairs).

You're right. My guy has 16 HR in 183 ABs after the update.

Prior to update - 506 AB's, 52 HR's, 10.2% of AB's resulted in HR
After update - 183 AB's, 16 HR's, 8.7% of AB's resulted in HR

So there has been a decrease but he could still be servicable. Plus my team is bad right now, so he's probably playing more than he would elsewhere. I wouldn't expect 65 HR's, but my guy is on pace for 52 over 600 AB's (post update). I'll take it

I have a 45/96/38/50/88 guy who I play every day and has these stats:
11 TAC ML 157 618 105 188 13 2 63 152 62 130 0 1 .304 .367 .638 1.005
12 TAC ML 162 624 101 188 24 0 54 151 68 130 0 1 .301 .370 .599 .969
13 TAC ML 160 585 107 159 13 2 55 163 76 112 0 0 .272 .357 .583 .940

Looks like the 88 BE makes all the difference in OBP. I'm in Tacoma, the -4/-4/-4/-4/-4 pitcher's park too, so these numbers could be significantly higher elsewhere.

Well - we are 1/4th the way through the season and my guy has played part time and has the following stats

105 AB

8 HR

.238 Avg

.296 OBP

.495 Slg

Funny. That's better than my 88/67/69/72/99 guy and my 43/88/79/85/55 guy.

These guys are no longer useful since the steroid era ended.

Maybe my world just sucks, but in 108 games after the update my guy i mentioned earlier has 412 AB's, and 42 HR's

Totally neutral park, I know there are other factors, but he's not useless.

Clem Fitzgerald

we play at dodger stadium so not exactly a HR friendly park.

Seems like he is finally getting into a groove

AB 121

Avg .248

HR 10

RBI 24

OPB .298

SLG .521

The original player mentioned has no business being in the majors. Given his contact/power the minimum his splits should be are in the low-50s. Pre-update he may have had some worth, but with the update and more realistic production post-update he would be awful at the ML level

It's really tough to compare guys across different worlds of different quality, and also to compare what guys did prior to the change in HRs that WIS recently introduced.

I think guys with high power and low splits and/or low contact (20 to 40 range) can make it pretty fine (hit .250, .300+ OBP, .500+ slugging) as long as 1> their batting eye is very high, probably 85+, and 2> their splits aren't much lower than 40. I've got a 27/89/41/40/93 guy, for example, that hits about .260/.330/.520.

Quote: Originally Posted By sanderbear on 12/18/2009It's really tough to compare guys across different worlds of different quality, and also to compare what guys did prior to the change in HRs that WIS recently introduced.

I would agree, but a bad player is a bad player. The originally mentioned player has no business being at the ML level regardless of what world it is