Quote: Originally posted by texrangers19 on 12/01/2009Defense rating means absolutely nothing...for every guy with a great defensive rating and great defensive stats I will show you a guy with low defensive rating and great defensive stats....

Ellison, your southern team went to final four because of spd/ath, defensive rating had nothing to do with it..

That comment is very very false and leaves out so many parts of the equation.

Quote: Originally Posted By kspoorman on 12/01/2009I would like to hear from a Coach that tried building a Team around great defenders to see how it worked out for them.

i would agree... but i would definitely want it to be from a d3 team.

at d1 , most of the top teams have a bevy of 90+ defenders. it seems fairly rare these days to see a d1 team with a poor defender in a starting position.

The flip side to this is i would like to see a D1 coach have a majority of his team be poor defenders and start 3 or 4 poorDE guys. you see this in d3 all the time, but i havent really seen it at D1.

i actually may be the ginuea pig with my syracuse-tark team next season. for some combination of reasons, i have had to settle for some lesser players in recent years, and since we run fb/press/zone, we definitely dont want to sacrifice ath/sp, and so in several cases i sacrificed DE. so far, i havent had to put any of these weak defenders in the starting lineup, but next year i may have two or three of them starting and several more coming off the bench. havent decided whether to play zone , press or combo.

any suggestions as to which defense would be a better choice for a poorDE team?

I started a 30 de pf for 4 years at Illinois ole d, he was 99-100 in all the other cores tho (ath/reb/lp/sb)

didnt mean to confuse the matter when i said grant needed to show me 20 or 30 games like this. i just pulled that out of my hindquarters.

When my wife tells me of chores to do she says I'm DEF. It's just one of many interlocking factors in HD and relationships.

Quote: Originally posted by Rails on 12/01/2009Your initial post is misleading.  Western dropped to a -3 in the second half and the defender you mentioned didn't stay on your PF the whole game.  Other defenders also played significant minutes.  While he has a stamina of 91, your PF played 30 minutes (high for an HD game) and the three defenders that played him played 21, 14 and 16 minutes.  Your PF was 3 for 7 against a -1 and 1 for 8 against a -3.  

A fine point and that did not go beyond my notice either, but even at a -3, a guy with that SPD/ATH disadvantage doesn't shut my guy down without a high DEF rating.

Several responses about statistics, and surely, my thing I posted here was anecdotal, but it happened several times in past seasons as well. Perhaps I'll start keeping an Excel sheet on it with some other variables.