"a new user could join that world for whatever reason, and get frustrated by not being able to play ... and even if it fills eventually, this seems to be the type of world that will have openings next season and will be slow to fill then too ... a new owner could get frustrated by that process and leave the game"

98greenc5 makes a great point above... When you have so many unfilled spots, it's hard to get people to join and stick it out waiting for the league to start.

Maybe you all need to start a "Let's join LOCO and fix the world thread".

Quote: Originally posted by smoelheim on 12/07/2009

Quote: Originally posted by plague on 12/07/2009Now that LOCO has gone public they will eventually fill, it might it take a long time, but too date every world that has gone public has eventually filled.

They have been public since at least early September, and they still have 14 openings.

I agree that they are not hurting anything by staying, unfilled and public. I'm just stunned that they chose that over merging, losing their records and being able to play again.

Its their call though.. if they're happy, good for them!

I do the world career leaders so I check the public list every day. They have not been public since Sept. They have been public somewhere around a week. They were public long ago before the Williams merger situation, but not lately.

Quote: Originally posted by plague on 12/07/2009I do the world career leaders so I check the public list every day. They have not been public since Sept. They have been public somewhere around a week. They were public long ago before the Williams merger situation, but not lately.

I guess we're lost in semantics. They were public BACK IN September. I dont know how long they were "off the list" for, but they have essentially missed playing an entire season of HBD at this point. They were right in sync with Mordecai last rollover, we have played an entire season since then, and they are still sitting at 14 openings.

They're very selective in who they'll let join.

Quote: Originally posted by smoelheim on 12/07/2009

Quote: Originally posted by plague on 12/07/2009I do the world career leaders so I check the public list every day. They have not been public since Sept. They have been public somewhere around a week. They were public long ago before the Williams merger situation, but not lately.

I guess we're lost in semantics. They were public BACK IN September. I dont know how long they were "off the list" for, but they have essentially missed playing an entire season of HBD at this point. They were right in sync with Mordecai last rollover, we have played an entire season since then, and they are still sitting at 14 openings.

You quoted my post so that is why I listed the info. LOCO just recently went public, which means anyone that desires can join the world. If a world stays private they can essentially not recruit and the world will never fill.

They had 15 openings when they recently went public. I should say the first time I saw them on the list they had 15 openings.

Quote: Originally posted by plague on 12/07/2009You quoted my post so that is why I listed the info. LOCO just recently went public, which means anyone that desires can join the world. If a world stays private they can essentially not recruit and the world will never fill.

They had 15 openings when they recently went public. I should say the first time I saw them on the list they had 15 openings.

I'm not sure if we're arguing the same point or different points. :)

The same world was public 3 months ago with about the same # of openings. I realize they went private or were being merged or were in "some other kind of limbo" for a period of time where they could not add new owners... but the fact is that they are in the exact same place as they were 3 months ago: public and needing to fill almost 1/2 a world. Regardless of what has taken place in the meantime.

Thats dedication.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome is a definition of ... dedication?

Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 12/07/2009Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome is a definition of ... dedication

Insanity, actually. But I've always said that you have to be dedicated to insanity...

K there is a LOT speculation, guessing and some wrong info etc going on here. Want the facts? From someone who is in LOCO at the present time???

-Back when world first rolled over it went public right away with 10 openings (not 14 or 15 people are saying here). We had 3 join and were down to 7 openings and were that way for about 4 weeks.

-Went public to fill the last couple of openings the previous season. Commish didn't know he could have switched back to private on rollover. There is no set limit when private league becomes public. According to what someone at WIS told us, a private world can stay private indefinitely.

-WIS without telling anyone first, automatically took LOCO and Williams started the merging process. First part of that was 'forcing' 7 owners out of LOCO (they were given credits I think and have since joined other worlds etc). I think they may also have 'forced' some owners out of Williams too (not sure about that though, so I might be wrong). Either way they had 32 owners for the merged world.

-Well, some owners of BOTH worlds didn't like the merger idea. Admittedly in the forum, I'd say some of the LOCO owners were the loudest. BUT there were some from Williams as well who openly stated they were not happy.

-Now I will not get into the reasons why some didn't like the idea. It is enough that WIS decided NOT to do the merger. LOCO went private and Williams went back to being public. They have since filled and moved on (good of them, seriously.. no sarcasm).

-The thing is, LOCO had lost those 7 owners that were forced out. So it went from needing 7 before all this started, to needing 14!!! Since then I believe we lost 1 more due to "unwilling to wait" etc.

-So NOT going through with the proposed merger, LOCO is in a FAR worse state than it had been before the process started. Not the same position. Owners have tried to do some recruiting, but to avail. Group as since decided to go public, if not filled WIS may try another merger. This time I doubt you'll hear anything against it from the owners. Because, there are no other options anymore.

Them are the facts people.

That may all be true, but Williams people did not have a leg to stand on in objecting to the merge because it is a true public world. It was because of the LOCO objections and their desire to become a private world again that the merge was cancelled.

Yes, I said the LOCO owners were the loudest objections BUT there were a few from Williams as well that openly expressed their displeasure. Just because they 'didn't have a leg to stand on' with their objections. Doesn't make them meaningless. I'm sure WIS considered the fact that there objections from both sides.

Yes, cause it was once a Private World, LOCO was key in not going through with the merger.

The main thrust of facts is that saying No to the merger, LOCO is now in far worse shape than it was before the process started. I'm not saying it's WIS fault OR the fault of the LOCO owners etc. Does it matter?? Not really, it happened.

Quote: Originally posted by csherwood on 12/07/2009That may all be true, but Williams people did not have a leg to stand on in objecting to the merge because it is a true public world.  It was because of the LOCO objections and their desire to become a private world again that the merge was cancelled. 

I think Williams would still have a leg to stand on because historical stats are being wiped. Whether the world is public or private that would matter to me and, if WIS said we are merging two worlds and wiping all stats, I might feel the same and say time for me to jump this world and never play a public world again.

We only need thirteen right now.

Quote: Originally posted by csherwood on 12/07/2009That may all be true, but Williams people did not have a leg to stand on in objecting to the merge because it is a true public world.  It was because of the LOCO objections and their desire to become a private world again that the merge was cancelled. 

I guess I missed this fact when all this was going down. WIS was on record saying that the original public worlds were not going to be eligible for merging. So I am assuming that this has changed?

with only 3 other openings aside from LOCO in worlds that are public right now, I expect it to start to fill quickly..and not many world scheduled to rollover in the next few days.

Be interesting to see how many teams are abandoned within a week cos the owner gave up on it ever filling and didnt come back. There were 2 of those in Williams.