Alright so has anyone recently signed a 1-star recruit within 70 miles? As I understand it anyone without a star ranking is fair game if they are within 70 miles? Otherwise the ranking caps system comes into play?

1 stars are nearly impossible to sign. I would imagine that even people that have been in D2 for 20+ seasons have only seen it a handful of times at best. You won't even be able to sign every player without a star within 70 miles.

i signed a 3 star 3 yr juco in tark maybe a year ago. i don't remember his ranking but he was a sg, at the time, i think you could sign jucos a lot higher ranked than the freshman.

edit: probably more like a year and a half

Quote: Originally posted by gbous314 on 12/18/2009Alright so has anyone recently signed a 1-star recruit within 70 miles?  As I understand it anyone without a star ranking is fair game if they are within 70 miles? Otherwise the ranking caps system comes into play?

I'm not so sure about that any more. The quality of recruits is lessening, and there were many very highly rated (for DII) recruits that had no stars, but wouldn't give me the time of day. As high as 110, I believe.

This past recruiting session in Allen was quirky, to say the least. I had a 195 C 30 miles away not even accept a scholarship offer, yet I could sign a 172 SF 70 miles away and a 186 PF 260 miles away without a problem. I also saw DI human teams recruiting some DII players, and I couldn't shake a D- SIM DII school off a recruit (70 miles away) even though he "wasn't a priority" according to Word on the Street.

Not complaining, as I would like recruiting to be more challenging, but certainly different that how things have unfolded in the past.

Interesting. I don't have a team in Allen so I haven't noticed that. Can anyone with teams in multiple worlds comment on the differences in the recruiting for each world that you're in (specifically for D2, A or A+ prestige, ranked players).

Maybe I'll say specifically for Rupp,Phelan and Smith...:)

It varies each season in each world. Best thing to do is send out feelers to see who is receptive to your efforts. Sometimes you can tell what level of player you can get by looking at the worst ranked player the sims are recruiting.

I had the #76 SF one year that said I was a backup, meaning he was potentially attainable, but he ended signing with Virginia. He was 10 miles away.

Here in season 41 Smith the highest recruited ranked players are as follows.

PG Mark Josephs #118 Stonehill A+

SG David Weeks #182 Oakland City A+ (Note: Stonehill signed #116 juco)

SF John Jones #137 Oakland City A+

PF Nobody in the top 200

C Robert Baker #142 Pittsburgh, Johnstown A+

Seems to be pretty constant this recruiting season in the various worlds that PFs are the hardest players to get.

Quote: Originally Posted By jbob23 on 12/19/2009
Here in season 41 Smith the highest recruited ranked players are as follows.

PG Mark Josephs #118 Stonehill A+

SG David Weeks #182 Oakland City A+ (Note: Stonehill signed #116 juco)

SF John Jones #137 Oakland City A+

PF Nobody in the top 200

C Robert Baker #142 Pittsburgh, Johnstown A+

That can be a little misleading. There were top-200 PFs that I could have signed at Henderson St. but I preferred the Cs in the 140s-150s that I signed.

Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 12/19/2009Seems to be pretty constant this recruiting season in the various worlds that PFs are the hardest players to get.

i agree, i tracked it a couple seasons back in tark and the highest i could talk to was:
120-123sf, 145-149sg, 155-161c, 170-173pg, 181-188pf

the range is bc i didn't narrow to one player. for example, i could talk to the 123sf, but not the 119sf. it was for a high a+.

i often wonder if the population of coaches in d1 and/or d2 affects how many players we can talk to. we should get a few worlds with different populations together and see how they stack up.

It varies so much from season to season within a single world I don't think it has any direct connection to the number of human vs. sim coaches.

If you just make note of the lowest ranked player that is considering a sim D1 team (as recruiting starts) you'll see it can change 60 spots from season to season.

iguana - do you think it is random then? since i started, it seems there has been a slow progression to allow us access to fewer players. the guys i watched a+ schools sign when i first got into d2 are way higher ranked than what i can sign now, regardless of the fluctuation that season. i don't know what would cause that effect, unless WIS changed it a few times since then, or, if it was based on the number of humans, which presumably has went up in d1 (tark) since i started.

Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 12/21/2009iguana - do you think it is random then? since i started, it seems there has been a slow progression to allow us access to fewer players. the guys i watched a+ schools sign when i first got into d2 are way higher ranked than what i can sign now, regardless of the fluctuation that season. i don't know what would cause that effect, unless WIS changed it a few times since then, or, if it was based on the number of humans, which presumably has went up in d1 (tark) since i started

They have made a couple of tweaks to DI Sim recruiting that affect this. D- prestige DI Sims now almost never target unranked DI players, which used to be quite common, so that is a quite a few ranked recruits who are generally now unavailable to DII schools.

They also have allowed DI sims to do the additional recruiting efforts after signings start, which cuts down on recruits who would otherwise drop to DII.

I'm guessing it's somewhat random, based on the quality of the recruits generated.

I've tracked the #151-200 ranked players over the past 30 or so seasons and it's not unusual for one position to have a "weak" year and be 20-30 points below average.

In Rupp this past season the overall ratings of the #151-200 was 514. The season before it was 532. SF were down from 522 to 496. And when you looked at the beginning recruits the sim D1 targeted they were about 30 spots above the previous season. Which subsequently raised the bar for D2 teams.

In Allen it was converse with the overall player ratings up over 10 points. The #151-200 SF was up to 528 vs 506 the previous season. It also was the lowest ranked block of SF I've seen in 8-10 seasons targeted by the D1 sims; with a #160 SF being the best a D2 could hope for. I know I signed a #133 SF the season before.