His stamina has gone 61, 66, 69, 70... it will probably max out at 71 or 72
His vR has gone 50, 57, 63, 65... probably max out at 68 or 69
His 2nd pitch has gone 50, 53, 55, 55... probably max out at 56 or 57
His 3rd pitch has gone 58, 65, 71, 73... probably max out at 76 or 77

Best thing I ever did was put Advanced Scouting at 0. I think you get a much more realistic picture of a player's potential by looking at their growth curve rather than projections which players almost never hit.

Here is a guy on my team that isn't as good as your guy and is very serviceable in my SP4/SP5 spot.

http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1470205

GS 31, W/L 13-8, IP 172.2, Hits 200, Runs 95, ERs 91, HR 21, BB 82, SO 147, OAV .286, OBP .365, SLG .425, WHIP 1.63, ERA 4.74

Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 1/02/2010

Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 1/02/2010

Quote: Originally posted by firemanrob on 1/02/201
End of the rotation ML starter. I'd wait to move him up though so you can reduce his ML time in service, thus delaying arbitration.

When looking at ML pitchers, control, vL/R splits and pitches are the most important IMHO. My bare minimums for an ML starter would be something like this: control > 60, vL/R > 60 and at least one solid pitch (> 70) with hopefully none < 50.

I like my ML starters to have at least three big league quality pitches (60+). I don't care if they have a fringy fourth pitch, because I don't use catchers that would be stupid enough to call for it.

The exception is sinkerballers. A pitcher with a one very good-to-great (80+) pitch and a very-good-to-great GB/FB rating (80+) can be solid -- Keith Stanley being a prime example.

Admin/CS/Developers have never wavered from the stance that pitch types are merely cosmetic. You can choose not to believe them, but I'd hold off on advising a new owner to start looking for sinkerballers

Although this is true, I think we have all observed a connection between having a sinker as your #1 pitch, and having a great GB/FB ratio. That's not to say that I go looking for sinkerballers, but I can't say that my unscientific observation supports the admin claim in this case. I'd be curious to know what others thought.

I'd keep him at AAA unless you needed him for a playoff push, or had a major injury in your MLB rotation. If you don't need him in the majors, don't rush him.

He's 22, and figure he'll grow a little more in his 22-yo season and even his 23-yo season. The extra 2-5 points per category are the difference between him being a back-of-the-rotation guy and a #3 SP.

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One very good pitch as his only quality offering, and one very good GB rating.

What would you call such a pitcher?

Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 1/03/2010One very good pitch as his only quality offering, and one very good GB rating.

What would you call such a pitcher?

Someone I'd want to put a good defense behind if I was using him, regardless of whether his good pitch was a fastball, knuckleball, sinker, or eephus pitch. According to everything that has ever been indicated by CS/Admin/Developers, the "type" of pitch matters no more than the player's hometown.

Way to duck the question.

Ask a proper question and I'll answer it.

Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 1/03/2010One very good pitch as his only quality offering, and one very good GB rating.

What would you call such a pitcher?

Tim Wakefield.

Is that a better answer?

Considering Wakefield has a career GB/FB ratio of below 1.00, no, it's a terrible answer.

At least you were honest enough to fess up that you didn't really know what I was talking about though.

Yea, I still don't really know what you're trying to say.

Just in case any new owners read your initial post the same way I did, let me clarify for them.

According to my own experience and everything that has ever been said by the engine developers, Admin, or CS, pitch types have no impact in the HBD engine.

Quote: Originally posted by zbrent716 on 1/03/2010Yea, I still don't really know what you're trying to say.

Just in case any new owners read your initial post the same way I did, let me clarify for them.

According to my own experience and everything that has ever been said by the engine developers, Admin, or CS, pitch types have no impact in the HBD engine.

agreed

Quote: Originally posted by zbrent716 on 1/03/2010Yea, I still don't really know what you're trying to say.

Just in case any new owners read your initial post the same way I did, let me clarify for them.

According to my own experience and everything that has ever been said by the engine developers, Admin, or CS, pitch types have no impact in the HBD engine.

So please point to where in my post I said "look for a player with a Sinker as his primary pitch".

I was pretty clear in stating what sort of pitch assortment I found to be effective in an HBD starter: three pitches of at least 60+, OR one 80+ pitch combined with a GB rating of 80+.