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I win about 90% of the games I expect to win. Seems like real life to me.

As for Mully's point, I think only the top 20 teams in D1 are similar. But I think that's already getting better... and is supposed to be address in the new engine?
1/6/2010 12:41 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by schroedess26 on 1/06/2010Just one question, why are you not running uptempo against these inferior opponents? Just thought I would throw that out there as if your overpowering I thought it was HD 101 to run uptempo to weed out the chance of the upset. You probably have a good reason as your in D1 and I am only in D2.

Remember that the new engine and recruit generation is in beta right now, if your not in it already.

it is HD 101. but then in HD 102, you learn is more complicated than that, and nobody can explain to you specifically how or why.
1/6/2010 12:45 PM
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I'd still like an answer to isaacs question. Why do the same coaches keep winning? I regularly get smoked in the 2nd round by hof coaches . In d1 I expect it. In d2 and d3 I've had a ton of losses to teams that. Were worse than me.
1/6/2010 2:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sublightd on 1/06/2010
I'd still like an answer to isaacs question. Why do the same coaches keep winning? I regularly get smoked in the 2nd round by hof coaches . In d1 I expect it. In d2 and d3 I've had a ton of losses to teams that. Were worse than me.
Every coach places a value on variables: a rating, an iq, a fatigue setting. Some people who lose when they think they're suppose to win have a messed up value system. The idea is to get your value system aligned with the engine. Those coaches whose value system is most like the engine, are repeatedly successful. Those who place too much weight in rebounding for a big man, without placing sufficient value in stamina or ath, for example, lose more frequently.
1/6/2010 2:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally posted by schroedess26 on 1/06/2010 Just one question, why are you not running uptempo against these inferior opponents? Just thought I would throw that out there as if your overpowering I thought it was HD 101 to run uptempo to weed out the chance of the upset. You probably have a good reason as your in D1 and I am only in D2.

Remember that the new engine and recruit generation is in beta right now, if your not in it already.

it is HD 101. but then in HD 102, you learn is more complicated than that, and nobody can explain to you specifically how or why


Here's a great example. What value should you place on tempo? Against what types of offenses? I use it more to try and control the fatigue of my players, which is a different way of thinking about it and gives it a different value. People have different theories. The goal is to find the theory closest to the way the engine treats tempo.
1/6/2010 3:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mccabemi on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By sublightd on 1/06/2010
I'd still like an answer to isaacs question. Why do the same coaches keep winning? I regularly get smoked in the 2nd round by hof coaches . In d1 I expect it. In d2 and d3 I've had a ton of losses to teams that. Were worse than me.
Every coach places a value on variables: a rating, an iq, a fatigue setting. Some people who lose when they think they're suppose to win have a messed up value system. The idea is to get your value system aligned with the engine. Those coaches whose value system is most like the engine, are repeatedly successful. Those who place too much weight in rebounding for a big man, without placing sufficient value in stamina or ath, for example, lose more frequently.

Well I don't need an answer from someone who thinks the system is fine :)

I'm looking for an answer from those who repeatedly argue that the game is a coin flip and that coaching strategy/talent mean very little.
1/6/2010 3:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By mccabemi on 1/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By sublightd on 1/06/2010
I'd still like an answer to isaacs question. Why do the same coaches keep winning? I regularly get smoked in the 2nd round by hof coaches . In d1 I expect it. In d2 and d3 I've had a ton of losses to teams that. Were worse than me.
Every coach places a value on variables: a rating, an iq, a fatigue setting. Some people who lose when they think they're suppose to win have a messed up value system. The idea is to get your value system aligned with the engine. Those coaches whose value system is most like the engine, are repeatedly successful. Those who place too much weight in rebounding for a big man, without placing sufficient value in stamina or ath, for example, lose more frequently.

Well I don't need an answer from someone who thinks the system is fine :)

I'm looking for an answer from those who repeatedly argue that the game is a coin flip and that coaching strategy/talent mean very little.

Oh, right.
1/6/2010 3:04 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 1/06/2010
Wouldnt you rather write about that 23 point loss to SIM Delaware?

The real answer is WIS is clueless about their engine and how post potential recruits have made DI an absolute coin flip game.

My opponent tonight has the following defense ratings :

NameYr.DE
Jesse TravisSr.99
Andrew CottaSr.100
Michael EngelhardtSr.99
Michael HarrisJr.99
Melvin BowenSr.99
James PolingJr.99
Harry WestfallSo.92
Louis DelaneySo.96
Robert OliverFr.74
Oscar BedfordSo.98
Sylvester BrashearsSo.89
Casey ScaggsSo.79
Averages94


When almost every player has the "best" rating possible, how can this be anything other than a stupid coin flip dynasty game.



This is the main reason why I have stayed in D3 for as long as I have despite the Exodus of coaches. There seems to be very little difference between the top teams as a great number of players from these teams have maxed out core ratings.
1/6/2010 3:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By mccabemi on 1/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By sublightd on 1/06/2010
I'd still like an answer to isaacs question. Why do the same coaches keep winning? I regularly get smoked in the 2nd round by hof coaches . In d1 I expect it. In d2 and d3 I've had a ton of losses to teams that. Were worse than me.
Every coach places a value on variables: a rating, an iq, a fatigue setting. Some people who lose when they think they're suppose to win have a messed up value system. The idea is to get your value system aligned with the engine. Those coaches whose value system is most like the engine, are repeatedly successful. Those who place too much weight in rebounding for a big man, without placing sufficient value in stamina or ath, for example, lose more frequently.

Well I don't need an answer from someone who thinks the system is fine :)

I'm looking for an answer from those who repeatedly argue that the game is a coin flip and that coaching strategy/talent mean very little.

Easy. Cheat codes.
1/6/2010 3:28 PM
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Well that's how you do it. I'm wondering how the non-Yalies do it.
1/6/2010 4:38 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by mullycj on 1/06/2010Wouldnt you rather write about that 23 point loss to SIM Delaware? The real answer is WIS is clueless about their engine and how post potential recruits have made DI an absolute coin flip game. When almost every player has the "best" rating possible, how can this be anything other than a stupid coin flip dynasty game. 

i don't know, but if it is a stupid coin flip dynasty game, how do some teams do so well? lostmyth came 1 game away from winning 3 titles in a row, and has won a boatload of titles since potential came out. recently in tark OR has an 8 season stretch with 4 title game appearances and 2 titles. clone has that crazy stretch with what 3 titles and 5 appearances in 8? i am pretty sure pottle won 2 in a row just a few seasons back. and i only play d1 in 1 world, so i am sure there is plenty i am missing.

my question is, if its a coin flip, then what... are some people just extremely and consistently lucky? their guardian angel takes an interest in their HD success, and steps in on their behalf?
1/6/2010 5:21 PM
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Someone working on a doctoral thesis can parse out the details, but part of explanation for continued success of successful coaches is recruiting. Once a coach gets their program to A+ (or sometimes even A), they begin to get their recruits for free. And they are top recruits at that. It's a rare circumstance when a coach fights a superior program for a recruit.

A couple of examples: I just moved to UMass in the A10 in IBA, arguably the best conference in that world, to play with the big boys. When I recruited a kid and saw that La Salle was after him, I gave up and pottle got him uncontested.

In Rupp, I worked UConn up to A+ and had my way with recruits from New England. (rshy, a very good coach, BC because, among other things, he was tired of having no chance for top recruits and having to settle for whoever UConn didn't take.) For UConn, that produced a stretch of a Final Four, a couple of Elite Eights and a couple of Sweet Sixteens.

One (and a half) bad recruiting seasons changed my fortunes, but I'm building it back and hope to not make the same mistakes again.

But recruiting is a significant factor in continued success. Not surprisingly, in HD, the rich get richer. If you have a team full of top players and get some top recruits, you have a team full of top players.

Any analysis of top performances starts there.
1/6/2010 6:37 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally posted by mullycj on 1/06/2010
Wouldnt you rather write about that 23 point loss to SIM Delaware?

The real answer is WIS is clueless about their engine and how post potential recruits have made DI an absolute coin flip game.

When almost every player has the "best" rating possible, how can this be anything other than a stupid coin flip dynasty game.



i don't know, but if it is a stupid coin flip dynasty game, how do some teams do so well? lostmyth came 1 game away from winning 3 titles in a row, and has won a boatload of titles since potential came out. recently in tark OR has an 8 season stretch with 4 title game appearances and 2 titles. clone has that crazy stretch with what 3 titles and 5 appearances in 8? i am pretty sure pottle won 2 in a row just a few seasons back. and i only play d1 in 1 world, so i am sure there is plenty i am missing.

my question is, if its a coin flip, then what... are some people just extremely and consistently lucky? their guardian angel takes an interest in their HD success, and steps in on their behalf
they are math nerds.
1/6/2010 7:27 PM
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one of the biggest things completely broken in the sim is the way fatigue is handled - and i believe it is the root cause of these *upsets*

a 100 stamina player should never be anything but green and should be able to play a full 40 minutes - i dont care the tempo or defense played - however, that is not the case - and that is the top of the slippery slope
1/6/2010 7:36 PM
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