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No, they said that. But that isn't what appears to have happened. However, the results are in line with MLB.

I believe they implied that some homers would be triples, some triples would be doubles and some doubles would be singles. However, if you think about it, would McGwire's homers have become triples if he juiced less?
1/15/2010 9:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By torrone on 1/15/2010Well, Mike. Your league came up right about where Mattingly did after one year under the new update. About 50-60 HRs per team shy of previous seasons.

I expect most worlds are going to see a 20-25% reduction. Which should put them in line with MLB numbers.
1/15/2010 10:02 PM
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thats a good point. i guess when you think about those "lost homeruns" trickling down to triples, triples down to doubles, and doubles down to singles, your end result is les homeruns and more singles (which is exactly what you had in MG). never thought of it that way until now.
1/15/2010 10:04 PM
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FWIW, we still had 8 teams with more than 200 homers. 255 was tops.

MLB had 5 with 244 being tops.
1/15/2010 10:06 PM
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MLB numbers:

R 747
H 1451
2B 291
3B 32
HR 168
BA .262
OBP .333
SLG .418
OPS .751
1/15/2010 10:15 PM
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Just comparing those numbers with one world, it looks like they wanted those homers to become doubles. Which, using our 'roiding McGwire as an example, would be realistic. Put Mac's 'roided up homers off the wall and even he would leg out a double.
1/15/2010 10:25 PM
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If those HR's became singles-then why did the # of singles decline? Should there not have been an increase of singles comparable to the decrease in HR's? Looks to me like the HR's simply became outs.

And how does latest seasons SLG and OPS compare to actual ML season? Is it in line as HR's are (as you stated)?
1/15/2010 10:40 PM
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Incorrect. Batting average stayed the same. Doubles and triples stayed the same. Hits stayed the same.
1/15/2010 10:42 PM
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yeah if the homeruns became outs, MG would have seen a big dip in batting average and hits as well as the dip they saw in slg%
1/15/2010 11:28 PM
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Ive just assumed that HRs became 2Bs and 3Bs but previous 2Bs and 3Bs became singles and outs. Less power means a HR that barely cleared the fence is now a 2B conversely a line drive 2B over the LF's head is now a F-7.
1/15/2010 11:45 PM
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Decided to check some other worlds that played entire seasons under the new engine.

The Bigs7151496222261600.2630.3270.3950.722
Am Pastime7431501230271670.2640.3320.4030.734
Greenberg8051580250261710.2740.3420.4160.758
Ruth8131530238262210.2680.3350.4350.771


The Bigs and American Pastime are private worlds. Greenberg and Ruth are public. Looks like it's still possible to produce unrealistic homer totals.
1/16/2010 7:41 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by kjmulli on 1/15/2010interesting. the homerun drop is pretty drastic. i thought alot of these homeruns were supposed to now be doubles, triples? your 2b and 3b amounts seem to be on par with what you've had in the past in MG so that doesnt seem it was the case for you. that looks like it's also reflected in the slg% being significantly lower.

looks like alot of those old homeruns that were now supposed to be 2bs and 3bs are, instead, singles. that, if correct, is major.

My understanding of the update is that they didn't want to change homeruns into something else (because then those crappy guys hitting 40 homeruns would now be hitting 40-50 doubles and 5-10 triples which is still unrealistic) but that they wanted ALL the numbers to be closer to real life - ie lower homeruns but everything else the same - SLG, BA, hits, etc. If that was their goal, they hit it on the head (at least in MG and other decent worlds).
1/16/2010 7:56 AM
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1/17/2010 11:22 AM
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just took a quick glance to see if maybe the 2009 baseball season was an off one for hits and it appears that it was, though not by much.

mlb teams averaged 8.96 hits per game, the first time that number has been lower than 9 since 2002 (and before that you'd have to go back to 92). the number of doubles was also down this year in mlb.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/bat.shtml

i couldnt find the major league stats you have mike and i dont trust my math skills if i were to add all of the teams individually but id be interested to see what the mlb numbers were for these categories since 2000 or so if you have them. then maybe if we compare MG and some other worlds numbers to the average number of hits in an MLB season for the decade, id bet we're closer than it looks now.
1/17/2010 12:34 PM
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